Rolex can't fix a Rolex???Quote:
Originally Posted by jukeboxs
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Rolex can't fix a Rolex???Quote:
Originally Posted by jukeboxs
Yup, based on information from RSC watch repairers - current repairs simply delay the issue (so presuming I'll be paying for the next repair myself in a few years). See lengthy thread on TRF for details (also a shorter one on here).Quote:
Originally Posted by Martylaa
I have 10+ Rolex in my collection, 3 with the 32xx, fortunately only one of which has this movement amplitude issue (so far).
Is there a quick way to check if you have an affected mechanism ?Quote:
Originally Posted by jukeboxs
Knew nothing about that, so are these the newer ceramic models which are having issues or the older 5 digits?Quote:
Originally Posted by jukeboxs
What are the stats - what percentage of watches with 32xx movements are actually affected or likely to be?
6 digits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martylaa
Bit OT but I have been looking for a significant watch, and quite fancied a Rolex sub, white gold with blue bezel. Saw one a year old at 5k behind retail, about of curiosity pinged WF to get an idea of trade buy in price.
Any guesses?? Oh retail is £35k ish
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Lots of info on this thread. The main tell is the amplitude in positions 3/6/9 (Up) - this struggles to exceed 230 at time 0 and struggles to exceed 200 at time 24 (24hrs after full wind). The min 200 at 24hr is a Rolex test requirement for 32xx movements. For mine, Rate also suffered badly (my average Rate didn't meet the Rolex -1/+3 test requirement).Quote:
Originally Posted by joe narvey
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthre...4#post12977684
The above thread shows a failure rate of c25% for those who members who contributed. I reckon this will be on the low side, as many will be as yet unaware (either as not keeping track or because the amplitude issues have yet to surface).Quote:
Originally Posted by Berty234
I've pasted my figures below, in case helpful to see the variances (with my BLRO the problem child of the 3).
https://i.imgur.com/rn6DWdl.png
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My now sold SD43 was fine for about a year and then became gradually more erratic. It went back to Rolex for a fix but I lost faith in it after that.
£23k.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robsmck
I’d imagine it’s less than that , maybe 19-20kQuote:
Originally Posted by gbn13
How would someone who isn't a nerd, and checks amplitude, know? I have never checked if any of my watches keep decent time as I never wear any of them long enough for it to matter :)Quote:
Originally Posted by JIG67
What actually is amplitude ... ???Quote:
Originally Posted by njr911
Edit: I have googled it ...
Amplitude is the measure of the amount of rotation in the swing of the balance wheel, in either direction, usually expressed in degrees. In a running watch, the balance wheel swings or rotates clockwise and counterclockwise. Each swing in either direction is called a “beat”.
Amplitude is the number of degrees of rotation of the beat. Amplitude is higher, typically in the range of about 270 to 315 degrees, when a watch is lying flat or in the “dial up” or “dial down” position. Amplitude usually falls when the watch is in a vertical position, primarily due to increased friction.
The two guesses straddled the quote, 21 to 21.5 was their bid. Obviously the PM bubble has well and truly burst.Quote:
Originally Posted by numberjack
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Even paired with a white dial stainless steel Daytona that isn’t break even. Ouch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Robsmck
If it’s a watch you want it’s a good time to buy , but might even get better in futureQuote:
Originally Posted by Robsmck
I personally took advantage and got an unworn example last week , Watchfinder buy in doesn’t bother me as it’s a watch I intend to keep ( said that before ! )
Many thanks, very helpful. Seems I have a project over the weekend to start testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by jukeboxs
Sorry, I should have been clearer. The timekeeping went to hell - I didn’t check the amplitude but googling the issue led me to a lot of people having the same problem with the movement.
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Originally Posted by njr911
Owners will tend to spot the crap timekeeping, once this drops off a cliff. Like you, I have so many watches and don't closely track timekeeping, I never noticed my BLRO issue until I saw that TRF thread and then borrowed a timegrapher. But, I read up on it after that (just as well as my 5 years were almost up) - worth doing while your 32xx watches are still under warranty. After the 5 years, you might be happy living with it once it reappears (you'll take a hit on resale though).Quote:
Originally Posted by njr911
I have two watches with a 32XX movement inside - one is a two year old Explorer and the other is a three year old Submariner. Both are running at less than plus one second per day.Quote:
Originally Posted by jukeboxs
I can only speak as I find.
I’ve had 3 quotes for my 1987 Sub full set from WF over the last 8 months. They range from almost £9k down to £5.7k! Solution is to send it to Duncan Potter for a service, and continue to enjoy it.
Whoever it was in this thread saying modern versions are better than vintage, having had both, I still prefer Cara Delevigne to Elton John.
So you agree, the younger model is better than the old boy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrubnut
I thought your Submariner was a 116613LN? If that is the case, it doesn’t have a 32XX movement.Quote:
Originally Posted by learningtofly
Or the beautiful slim version is more desirable than the fat, bloated one?Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisparker
Actually, you’re correct. My mistake.Quote:
Originally Posted by gbn13
I have two with the movement, both bought new from ADs. The newest is only a few months old and like your Explorer it is currently no more than +1s fast over a few days of wear.Quote:
Originally Posted by learningtofly
The other I bought in July 2018. I wore it for all or part of each day, for about the first 72 days, after which it was a cumulative +15s, with positional variation of less than +/-0.75s in any 24hours, if rested when off the wrist with dial up or crown up. Yes I did sadly record that at the time.
A couple of years later it started to drift to about +/-6s per day at worst. I ended up not wearing it for 6 months or so. Next time I picked it up it was within +/-2s per day and still is now.
I have 5 Rolex. The oldest is a 1980 1655 Freccione Explorer11 and the youngest is a 2014 Explorer.Quote:
Originally Posted by chrisparker
I tend to wear these two watches because they are fairly inconspicuous and usually for 6 weeks at a time.
I time them at 10.00am every Saturday on time.is. The 2014 model gains 7 secs a week whilst the old boy Freccione, now 43 years of age, gains just 2 secs a week.
To me, the Freccione is just plain gorgeous and I sadly confess that I get a buzz every time I look at it. This is the old boy I now wear most of the time.