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    I feel that I am missing something. Why did POL only employ lawyers with experience in civil law? So far at this has been the case for at least two of those called to give evidence, albeit that they were using outside legal firms (chambers?) to lead the prosecutions.

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    Will Paula Venells ever be held accountable?

    Quote Originally Posted by PickleB View Post
    I feel that I am missing something. Why did POL only employ lawyers with experience in civil law? So far at this has been the case for at least two of those called to give evidence, albeit that they were using outside legal firms (chambers?) to lead the prosecutions.
    I think before separation the criminal lawyers were in RM Group. After separation POL had at least Singh and Wilson in criminal roles. Whether they were competent or not is another matter. Singh’s reputation took another battering today. He appeared in an earlier hearing and is an absolute buffoon.


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    A slight aside, but this is very illuminating. A worker's experience of Royal Mail decline since privatisation:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-falling-apart


    I think it was becoming clear to all that it was a mess, but crikey!
    So clever my foot fell off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheFlyingBanana View Post
    A slight aside, but this is very illuminating. A worker's experience of Royal Mail decline since privatisation:

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...-falling-apart

    I think it was becoming clear to all that it was a mess, but crikey!
    That's a grim read. They are struggling to recruit posties up here. Many try it but a hell of a lot fail. The turnover is supposed to be high.

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    Yesterday's episode was very interesting and paved the way for PV's episode next week, (if she turns up). Hopefully today will be even more interesting and add to it.
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    Sorry, that's alright then, lying cow, if she doesn't get prosecuted!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by adrianw View Post
    Sorry, that's alright then, lying cow, if she doesn't get prosecuted!!
    Half a day in and she looks like she’s had enough. I felt he demonstrated she was complicit in the remote access cover up from what I saw. She obvs can’t recall much. Conveniently. Except a party line on wording which didn’t seem to exist apart from in her head.

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    The solicitor now in the dock, doesn’t seem to have a good recollection of very much at all…

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbn13 View Post
    The solicitor now in the dock, doesn’t seem to have a good recollection of very much at all…
    Mr Stein gave him a right kicking.

    I'm not sure how some of these lawyers can turn up to work again. Williams is still employed by the Post Office. Flemington seems to have a decent job, although I'm not sure his employer is going to be too impressed. Looks like Aujard might have just jacked it in and Smith doesn't appear to feature on the website of the practice which bears his name.

    Mr Henry gets his chance now.
    Last edited by BillyCasper; 2nd May 2024 at 15:24.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCasper View Post
    Mr Stein gave him a right kicking.

    I'm not sure how some of these lawyers can turn up to work again. Williams is still employed by the Post Office. Flemington seems to have a decent job, although I'm not sure his employer is going to be too impressed. Looks like Aujard might have just jacked it in and Smith doesn't appear to feature on the website of the practice which bears his name.

    Mr Henry gets his chance now.
    A kicking! A specialism, according to his chambers website:😀

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    All these 'professionals' - who need to be sharp as fcuk in their careers and every day work............................. don't remember anything.


    I bet the ones not directly employed by PO kept for a few years - their timesheets and billable hours, charging at 2hrs for every e-mail and letter. Those records will have been chucked on the proverbial fire a few years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackal View Post
    All these 'professionals' - who need to be sharp as fcuk in their careers and every day work............................. don't remember anything.


    I bet the ones not directly employed by PO kept for a few years - their timesheets and billable hours, charging at 2hrs for every e-mail and letter. Those records will have been chucked on the proverbial fire a few years ago.
    Should we expect some to be hauled in front of professional disciplinary boards if not judges?

    Harry Bowyer's memory was pretty good and somewhat more candid when answering questions.

    Jarnail Singh tomorrow, an absolute clown, will be worth tuning in to questioning by the core participants' lawyers

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCasper View Post
    Should we expect some to be hauled in front of professional disciplinary boards if not judges?

    Harry Bowyer's memory was pretty good and somewhat more candid when answering questions.

    Jarnail Singh tomorrow, an absolute clown, will be worth tuning in to questioning by the core participants' lawyers
    Can’t get out of this. Surely? The two of them knew.

    False evidence by Post Office’s expert contradicted his own report https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68857142

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    Quote Originally Posted by BillyCasper View Post
    Should we expect some to be hauled in front of professional disciplinary boards if not judges?

    Harry Bowyer's memory was pretty good and somewhat more candid when answering questions.

    Jarnail Singh tomorrow, an absolute clown, will be worth tuning in to questioning by the core participants' lawyers
    I am professionally aware of one of the above-named people ...... they are not an impressive individual, having as they do have the twin issues of arrogance and ineptitude to deal with. Once the dust has settled, I expect there will be discussions with the relevant professional standards board and (if they choose not to withdraw from that profession) the likelihood of censure or even being struck off.

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