I have always wanted to learn to play the guitar, since turning 40 I think it’s now or never.
But where to start? Sites like gear4music sell starter kits for £150-£200 which looks to include everything you need.
But are these types of kit any good? Or will I need to upgrade the kit quickly?
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15-20 years ago those starter pack type guitars would hurt your fingers to play, the amps would be low quality and whole thing would put you off playing.
However that's not the case anymore, check out harley benton as they are well thought of for very little money.
Hi, my advice would to be to avoid those all you need kits. Buy one nice quality budget guitar, the Fender Squier series are a good example.
Regarding those kits, picks are pennies, straps and leads are a few quid, and practice amps are the price of a bar snack but they are charging you their price for all of these to make a cheap guitar attractive.
I recently bought a Squier Telecaster Affinity second hand but mint for £125. Alternatively a new Squier Telecaster Bullet is available new for less than that. Both are fine guitars. A kit with "everything" for about the same money I can almost guarantee the action will be crap, the frets will buzz, and it will be so hard and limiting to play that you will give up. Squier my recommendation.
Acoustic? If so go for the beginner guitar of all time, a Yamaha f310 acoustic for little money. Buy it from a shop and ask them to check the setup. Learn a few chords and strum away, you will soon decide if it’s for you. You can easily resell the Yamaha if it’s not.
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As others have already said, inexpensive guitars can be very serviceable instruments these days. Electric or acoustic, that's what we need to know I think.
Went through the same process a few years ago. Ended up with a Yamaha electric to start with and then bought another…
To be fair, the Yamaha is a lovely guitar and plays really well - learnt how to adjust it and set it up myself, just for the hell of it.
Since that first Yamaha, I second what others have said, the Squire range is really very good and there are always used ones around so you can pick your shape etc.
If you're more set on the Les Paul shape then the Epiphone range is very good. But don’t discount other less well known brands as well, for example Vintage.
Agree with others that you’ll be better off with a second hand amp to go with it - you can get a nice used modelling amp for not much money.
I purchased an Epiphone Les Paul at the start of lock down. It looks great in my office but had too many injuries to the fingers on my left hand to get into it; all cooking related, not guitar!Originally Posted by bambam
I’m sure it would have been set up properly at the factory, but I seem to have a load of fret buzz, so need to look at getting it checked.
Amp wise, I’ve got an AC30 battery headphone amp & it’s great to be honest. When you’re learning, nobody needs to hear it loud lol.
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I bought a used Vox VT40+ as my first ‘time to move on from the basic practice amp’ a few years back and it has been really good.
Something like that - there are Fender versions etc as well would be a good companion to a used guitar.
Thanks guys. Looking at electric over acoustic. I will look at the brands you mentioned and look for a second hand set up
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Your local cash generators shop or similar can be a good source. Sometimes guitars themselves but certainly for amps. Bought my Giant practice amp from my local shop, £15, loads of settings, and easily loud enough to induce neighbour warfare.
Agreed. Also worth looking on Gumtree and Facebook Marketplace.
Get a guitar that makes you want to pick up and play. Every player has different tastes so choose one that appeals visually to you!
As others have said - you won’t go far wrong with a Yamaha. And used is always the way to go. Sadly the number of high street guitar shops seems to have dwindled but if you can find an independent one locally, my experience is they will be helpful and give good advice.
I would recommend a lightweight guitar that doesn’t have too many buttons and switches for a beginner - Squire (Fender budget brand) Telecaster type or Epiphone (Gibson budget) SG type would be good and fairly inexpensive to start with.
Don’t assume that these guitars are set up well from the factory - they often need some adjustment and that can make all the difference.
Add a plectrum and you’re good to go - I wouldn’t even worry too much about an amp to start with.
And be careful about watching too many YouTube videos made by guitar shops like Andertons - they exist purely to extract large quantities of money from 40-something men!!
This is bloody good advice actually, powering it through an amp can be quite intimidating for a beginner, especially in a noise sensitive setting.
Absolute top tip. Didn’t realise how poorly set up my electro acoustic was when I took some lessons again a few years back. Definitely makes playing a better experience.
My old guitar teacher once told me it is easier to learn to play a good guitar than a bad (cheap) one. You don’t have to go mad but a well set up guitar with good hardware & construction will make you want to pick it up. Go to a good guitar shop & talk to the staff, they are usually all musicians & will do their best to get you the best set up for your budget.
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This is also bloody good advice.
If you’re going for an electric, I’d recommend looking at second hand Fender or Squier - local music stores, Cash Convertors or even Gumtree are your friends. Easy to resell for a decent return if you don’t get on with it, and I’d recommend a Telecaster over a Stratocaster purely for the reason they don’t have a tremolo arm and never, ever go out of tune no matter how hard you play if you’ve a good one. Cheap tremolo arms and trying to get them setup properly can be a nightmare, you want to focus on picking up and playing, not fiddling about with tuning, nuts, spring tension etc. Tele’s are also incredibly versatile and look cool as f*** if you get the right one…my old FAT Tele was brilliant
25+ years ago I got a cheap Strat-a-like as looked cool and Clapton had one. If I even touched the tremolo, the whole thing went out of tune and I removed the bar.If you’re going for an electric, I’d recommend looking at second hand Fender or Squier - local music stores, Cash Convertors or even Gumtree are your friends. Easy to resell for a decent return if you don’t get on with it, and I’d recommend a Telecaster over a Stratocaster purely for the reason they don’t have a tremolo arm and never, ever go out of tune no matter how hard you play if you’ve a good one. Cheap tremolo arms and trying to get them setup properly can be a nightmare, you want to focus on picking up and playing, not fiddling about with tuning, nuts, spring tension etc. Tele’s are also incredibly versatile and look cool as f*** if you get the right one…my old FAT Tele was brilliant
Decided reading this to pay for a proper set up on my Epiphany Studio LP, seems to be half the cost of the guitar which is scary. Buzzes more than anything I used to play, based on 2.5 decades of memory.
Some good advice here. A secondhand Squier or similar will serve you well. Likewise, I see plenty of Marshall combo amps on FB marketplace for £50 or so. Anything from Marshall, Blackstar, Line 6 etc from 15 watts minimum up to 30 or even 50 watts will be more than capable enough and be a lot better than starter kit amps.
I have several Harley Benton, and while they are great some of them have needed a bit of setup from new. Being a newbie you won’t know how to set a guitar up yet, so another reason to go for a Squier or Epiphone which always seem to be set up well enough from new.
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Appreciate that this was a rhetorical remark, but for the benefit of readers who may not be aware of that - they do. Same as every other guitar.
I did a similar thing during lockdown
Started with an electric kit (birthday present),but my guitar teacher let me try his acoustic,easier to play as the strings are softer and basically a nicer sounding and more beginner friendly tone . As someone else posted a better quality guitar is easier to play. I ended up with an Eastman .just recommend 10 mins practice every day and you’ll see the difference. Good luck
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With apologies to the OP for the tread hi jack, but on the same subject .............
I've been plinking away for a couple of years and have just about mastered about 10 songs which I play on an old dreadnought bodied acoustic. The bridge appears to be lifting away from the body top and is making it hard to tune.
I quite fancy a new, but reasonable priced, acoustic. I have read some reviews about the Yamaha F310 mentioned earlier in the thread - its does get some good reviews. However in the hope that I may eventually get 'better' at playing I like the idea of a cut away to maybe explore the 'dusty end' of the fretboard.
Any recommendations for such a thing and is it worth buying one with a built in amp?
IMHO, there is only one way to buy an acoustic guitar and that is to go to the shop, start at one end of the rack and work your way through to the other end of the rack. If your guitar is there, you’ll know. If it isn’t, go to another shop.
Electrics are different because most of the sound comes from the amp and the pickups which can be changed. With an acoustic, you are stuck with whatever tree it happens to be made from and if that particular tree was tone deaf, you can’t fix it.
Thanks - Anderton's in Guildford is near to me so I may try them but I'm worried about the 'smooth talking salesman' fobbing me off with something that isn't any good!
Went to gear4music today, held a few of the ones mentioned above, the ones that felt right, I mean I don’t know what feels right as I have never played… but anyway the ones that felt right are
Yamaha 112V
Epiphone SG
Epiphone studio
I liked the look of the SG the most. Talked or 2 different sales ppl one said forget a expensive amp the other said they opposite and wanted to sell me a fender LT25 combo
Did not like how the telecaster felt
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I'd echo what others have said regarding electric guitars. A Squier Stratocaster or Telecaster is a good place to start. I'd suggest spending an extra £30 to £40 on a some quality strings and a pro set-up. It will make the world of difference. If you can afford it you could employ a guitar teacher to go along with you to somewhere like Andertons. They'll help steer you in the right direction. If you want to get a guitar amp, make sure it can work at low volume levels and has a headphone output.
The Yamaha 112 (Pacifica) mentioned is a nicely solid built strat style guitar, i had one for a while before moving on to an American Fender strat.
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Be careful of the GAS (Guitar Acquisition Syndrome). One guitar is never enough. The ideal number is N+1, where N is the number you currently have.
Yamaha Pacifica is a great starter. As are many of the Squier or Epiphones you can pick up. Like most things comes down to budget and what you’re willing to spend.
A good “budget” guitar will not sound or feel massively different to a premium guitar initially. It will eventually when you improve and get to understand it more.
As for Amps. Lots of good solid suggestions already in the thread. Boss, Blackstar, Fender, Vox.
Personally started with a Squier Classic Vibe Telecaster. One I’ll never part with. Now have four Teles. Two Strats, two Les Pauls and a bass. Plus too many amps.
I tend to play my scratch built Telecaster most and mostly through a Blackstar Fly portable battery amp. Great sound for the home and for playing quietly. The Classic Vibe goes with me in the Motorhome with the Fly amp.
A Squier Bullet can be made to play great by a good guitar tech.
https://www.musicradar.com/news/mike...d-squier-strat
And Whiskey In The Jar is not an easy song to play - 6 chords and 128bpm. Learn some three chord 12 bar blues first like Little Red Rooster
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Last edited by NigeG; 17th November 2022 at 08:32.
Thanks for all your help, I am set on a SG for sure, either a classic worn or standard, both in the cherry - I think the difference is just the pickups between a P90 and humbucker - again does not really mean anything to me! The standard is a little more expensive. I am pretty impatient so want to go get it on the way home from work but with black friday next week could be worth just waiting a week.
In terms of lessons, there is a teacher in my village - which is handy. Are the online lessons any good or is face to face the best way.
In the beginning face to face is best. A teacher can get your hand position right and see what you're doing far easier and faster.
If you actually want to jam together and keep time, then you have to be beside each other.
As you get better you can move online. I took online lessons through lockdown and it was great, but I think that you need to have some basics down before it works really well.
You won't notice any difference between P90 or humbucker at this stage of your 'career'. Buy the one that feels nicest to hold.
Even though you can't play, you can still do a couple of simple checks:
* Run your fingers along the sides of the neck, to check for any sharp fret ends
* Play a single note at each fret, on all 6 strings. You want the notes to ring clear, and you don't want any string buzz.
A clip-on tuner, like a Snark (https://www.andertons.co.uk/silver-s...ner-red-silver) , is a great accessory.
Great advice there.
I wish they had had electronic tuners when I started out instead of pitch pipes!
Cheers,
Neil.
Another vote for Yamaha here, I have a few and can't fault any of them.
Something like a Pacifica 112 would be a good starting point. They do a cheaper one the 012 which is a their 'starter' level but I think the difference in price between the 112 and 012 is worth it.
I was looking for a SG earlier in the year and the one I really liked was the 1961 issue. Think they’re around £6-700 new but you can pick them up used for much less.
If it’s in a shop nearby, why not ask them if they’ll be in the Black Friday sale? Many shops already have sale prices to avoid getting hit with lots of volume in one day. Worth a try.
Re lessons - face to face are great for the reasons mentioned. You can always supplement them with online from the likes of Justin Guitar.
Would this pair be of any interest ?
Gibson SG USA faded 2017 and a Fender Mustang 40 modelling amp.
Apparently I have too many guitars and amps .......
That looks a lovely pair!Would this pair be of any interest ?
Gibson SG USA faded 2017 and a Fender Mustang 40 modelling amp.
Apparently I have too many guitars and amps .......
Impossible!Would this pair be of any interest ?
Gibson SG USA faded 2017 and a Fender Mustang 40 modelling amp.
Apparently I have too many guitars and amps .......
That looks a great rig.
Strat and Tele look lovely too!
I buy by colour.
Cheers,
Neil.
You were right! Currently looking for another guitar! The Epiphone SG is great but is a little rough around the edges, a lot of buzz on the low E string (might be my playing), looking at an Ibanez as the next one and a RG, the RG J Customs look great! but almost £3k is alot of money. There is one on Reverb at £1900, but will probably end up with a second hand Prestige for around £600-£800.Be careful of the GAS (Guitar Acquisition Syndrome). One guitar is never enough. The ideal number is N+1, where N is the number you currently have.
Yamaha Pacifica is a great starter. As are many of the Squier or Epiphones you can pick up. Like most things comes down to budget and what you’re willing to spend.
A good “budget” guitar will not sound or feel massively different to a premium guitar initially. It will eventually when you improve and get to understand it more.
As for Amps. Lots of good solid suggestions already in the thread. Boss, Blackstar, Fender, Vox.
Personally started with a Squier Classic Vibe Telecaster. One I’ll never part with. Now have four Teles. Two Strats, two Les Pauls and a bass. Plus too many amps.
I tend to play my scratch built Telecaster most and mostly through a Blackstar Fly portable battery amp. Great sound for the home and for playing quietly. The Classic Vibe goes with me in the Motorhome with the Fly amp.
A Squier Bullet can be made to play great by a good guitar tech.
https://www.musicradar.com/news/mike...d-squier-strat
And Whiskey In The Jar is not an easy song to play - 6 chords and 128bpm. Learn some three chord 12 bar blues first like Little Red Rooster
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Also started to delve into sound boards and pedals, what a rabbit hole that is! My amp can play tones which has been great so far but is very limiting, but I would like more options, as you cant change tone when playing on the amp without stopping and turning the dial. Picking up a Wah pedal tomorrow off marketplace and then getting a looper for Christmas, I quite like the idea of trying to build songs and then do some soloing and messing about. This then lead to all kind of pedals research, and hours watching videos and trying to decide what to build towards! Saw an amazing looking setup the guy was showing but it is about £2k to put it all together! Plan is a SD1 overdrive, DS1 distortion, a chorus and maybe a delay to start with (and the looper), in no rush so will keep checking ebay and marketplace for some decent deals. I think my amp can add some reverb into it all, maybe.
Still enjoying it all, trying to play more the last few weeks and be more structured, doing finger exercises and patterns on the fret to improve speed and accuracy, its sooooo frustrating at times, I do one exercise where you hold one finger on the B or G string then play a pentatonic shape with the other 3 fingers but try keep that 1 finger anchored, really struggle with the middle and ring finger, they just move!
Song wise, got a few good ones down, currently working on Killing in the name, which apart from the solo is pretty straight forward, but sounds funky and great. And also learning many riffs from songs just to have more little things to play.
It has almost been a year so far, so much to learn and to get better. Youtube is still great for tips and songs, some guys on there are just unreal, Bernth player can do some crazy shreds and also has some good content for learning and practice exercises. Wont ever get near that level, but should help to improve.
Get a proper set up and it'll be like night and day. Guitars from the factory are almost never set up properly and then hang around in heated shops which does nothing for them.
Find a local luthier and for about £70 they'll make the guitar sound and play like it should do.
Keep up the good work and good call on the SG. My son has a left-handed standard:
Maybe worth looking at a multiple effects unit - like a Boss ME-80. They have loads of simulations of pedals on them, often with a looper and a wah pedal.
You can use something like that to experiment with different sounds without having the expense of each pedal.
If you find some you like and use a lot then you can always get the actual pedal.
You can get a great new Strat or Tele for that sort of money, especially in the Player series - and don't forget a really good amp.
The Boss pedals are very reasonably priced and personally I would rather go new with electrical stuff like that.
I don't know if you have a modelling amp as you said it can play tones but pedals don't normally work well with them.
SD-1 would be the first pedal I'd buy, I leave mine on most of the time.
Sounds like it is really coming together for you - well done!
BTW re Pedals , best to find the right stuff for the sort of music you like playing - less is often more!
Here's my lot, it does for all I need.
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Cheers,
Neil.
I had an RG 1570 Prestige for a while. Some people love their impossibly skinny neck, Floyd Rose trems and locking nuts etc. I was not one of those people. I thought it was uncomfortable to play, sounded thin and felt dead even after throwing a set of Bare Knuckle pick ups in there. My mate on the other hand has three and loves them. Marmite guitars. I wouldn’t spend 3k on one unless you’re sure which side of the toast you’re on.
Thanks for the suggestions, I am 99% set of getting a boss katana mk2 and the airstep kat control bar, with a separate looper pedal. This will be good for my level for a long time, and works out considerably cheaper than loads of separate pedals.
I wont spend £3k on a new guitar, the wife would kill me and don't have the money. Looking at something 2nd hand around the £600-£800 mark. I will wait till after Christmas and hopefully people get new shiny guitars and sell off the old ones!
Based on this thread, my Epi LP Studio is booked in to get set up properly. Clearly this is the only reason I’m not playing like a certain Mr May, and not James.
That is bound to be the reason!
It is the lead that I have always wanted to play, I always assumed it would be be an easy thing to play!
Patiently waiting for Black Friday, just hope after the wait the guitar I want is in the sale!
Had a good look around and going to use the Justin Guitar system. It’s free with a sub for extras, I have watched a few videos and it looks decent.
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I have also had a look at his stuff, agree it seems pretty good & like his style / personality too.
Thanks again for all the comments, I waiting a week for the sales which was a waste of time as no shops had the stuff I wanted in the sale.
I ended up with a Epiphone SG standard 61' version and the fender mustang lt25 amp.
Did a few online lessons and learnt the A and D cord, finger pain is a real thing!! Enjoying it so far, finished the first set of lessons but trying to improve the A-D transitions before moving on to the next stage, never realised how inflexible my fingers were until I tried to play the A cord! My aim is to comfortable do a 2 second change between each cord for a solid minute before moving on.
On a side note the amp is pretty impressive, on the basic amp setting the sounds ok, but stick it in "lead guitar" or similar and it just sounds amazing, even just strumming away at anything sounds pretty awesome.
I also have a new found respect for lead singers / lead guitar players, I have always liked rock / metal and now have way more respect to how they can play a complex guitar piece whilst singing and jumping around the stage. I guess after many many years it becomes like riding a bike and you just play without thinking about it.
I have a hit list of songs I would like to play, everylong, monkey wrench, whiskey in the jar etc etc, but I think they are a good 6months to a year away before being able to tackle those.
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