Reply With QuotePlayers pre agree moves to clubs do you understand that ?Originally Posted by jon8oy
That's right, you're much smarter than I
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How do you think football works ?
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Players pre agree moves to clubs do you understand that ?That's right, you're much smarter than I
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I'd be surprised if he plays in England again. I've not read any details at all about the criminal case but an acquittal doesn't mean things are as they were before the accusations first surfaced.
TBH if he's been acquitted and had 2 years of his career ruined by what turned out to be unfounded accusations then there's a case for legal redress against the accusers perhaps, depending on how unsubstantiated the accusations turned out to be?
Thank you, Indo struggle with my grammar“… smarter than me” (just saying)
Things you have said:
"We are going all out to land him"
"The Bellingham deal is done for next season"
"The deal with Liverpool was done and agreed last year"
"It's not optimism mate, it's facts... This is from the people that actually conclude the deals for Liverpool not just daft forum chat"
"Bellingham had agreed terms with Liverpool last year, there's also an agreement in principle for the fee with Dortmund"
I do understand players are not supposed to have direct contact with clubs they are not contracted to about moves, unless expressly permitted by the club they are under contract with. In reality this still happens, most famous case being Ashley Cole 'tapping up' many years ago by Chelsea. However these days most players and clubs employ (sometimes multiple layers of) intermediaries. They sound out the players 'people' on things like wages and bonuses. This is often reported in modern media as 'wages agreed' in advance of a fee being accepted but is almost always followed by formal talks between buying club and player once a fee has been agreed and accepted by selling club.
I genuinely believe Liverpool did some of the groundwork with Bellingham and his people to ascertain his likely wage demands, and perhaps even discussed directly a fee with Dortmund.
This is never what you stated, you said a deal was done, and it didn't happen. You were wrong.
Do you understand how being wrong works?
Thing is, people are wrong all the time and I wouldn't be bothered by it. However there is an increasing rise of people who are very wrong about things and then brazen it out through sheer arrogance. They go on to claim those who challenge them are simply too ignorant or stupid to truly understand how, actually, they were right all along. You fall into this camp sadly, which takes away from the fun of fan debate and makes the whole thing a sour, zero-sum, game of one-upmanship. Congratulations, you sucked me into it, you get the win.
Have a great weekend - I'm off for a
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The deal was agreed with Bellingham, that was factual information. That information came directly from the person who makes the deal.
Liverpool not making the champions league leaving a hole in the finances and the structure of how Dortmund wanted the fee sank the deal.
Clubs don’t bid, then negotiate, then have a deal accepted and then speak to a player.
If you think that’s how a deal is concluded you are miles away from what actually happens in football.
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Signed sealed delivered
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Not a lawyer but I think it's common knowledge that the bar for criminal conviction is higher than for civil actions. That suggests there might be grounds for a civil case to be brought by, rather than against, the accusers. Example (albeit under Scottish law) here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Goodwillie
As I say, I never read any details so have no opinion on the facts or outcome of the case.
I was told that the "insider" who said Haaland was going to Manchester City, about 6 months before it was announced, had said Bellingham had agreed to sign for them. The story seemed credible as obviously Bellingham played with Haaland and is an England contemporary of the Manchester City England players. And I assume Liverpool wouldn't offer the same money as Manchester City or Real Madrid. Guess we'll never know the truth.
All we know is that, when Ivan says the deal is done, the deal is not yet done and may never be done.
I think what Ivan is saying is that something utterly incontrovertible can nevertheless change.
I can't see why anyone has pulled him up on that.
Yeah? Nah...
Yes I did caveat it was based on whether the claims were very unsubstantiated. I was of course not trivialising the seriousness of the alleged crimeYeah? Nah...
At the golf today
Who knew Billy Horschel was a big Irons man (no pun intended)
Glory hunter, bet it didn't have that bag in 2011 when they went down!
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Declan Rice deal finally announced. A bit of an anti climax now as it's been dragging so long.
Seems Partey is staying now so a midfield trio of Odegaard, Partey and Rice is pretty useful.
If they can’t fulfil fixtures in their tin pot shed then revoke promotion and get Coventry up. All that hassle for one season.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66207080
Fabhino undergoing a medical, Liverpool will have no midfield left at this rate.
Not everyone has Arab sugar daddies.
They won promotion from non league on their football not their money.
Cheers,
Neil.
Yes between houses (for away fans). Luton and romance, er no. I imagine the works is to put spit shields in for the away fans walkway.
Pretty sure they all share same agent hence at Wolves and now this team.
Yeah, because it's not like Coventry have ever had problems with their stadium
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Get's my vote, happy to spend one season back in the bright lights!
Eddie Howe saying there’s not much money to buy players so they’ll need to be creative.
Where did all the blood/oil money go then?
I was expecting at least Neymar
FFP. They can only spend 90% of their revenue on players, wages, agent fees etc. That goes to 80% next year and 70% the year after. Man City already got away with dodgy sponsorship revenues allowing them to overspend meaning the legal Eye of Sauron will be all over Newcastle currently to avoid the same happening there.
If they get a decent run in the CL that should boost coffers for the season after although they'll only be able to spend 80% of revenues.
I think Liverpool are going to be the recipients of that this season .
The mental gymnastics will be hilarious .
Just watched Rice in his first interview for his new team.
Said he wants to get Arsenal back to where they belong again.
So sixth then
Lucky he didn't join City then to get them back to their historical status of fighting relegation!
So selling players to Arab clubs (and they wanted hendo on a free so I won't be too optimistic) is the same as being owned by an Arab state?
Anyway I'm really hoping my team, the plucky underdogs Arsenal with our squad of youth team kids and a mish-mash of bargains cobbled together from other sides, continues to overachieve and give the moneybags clubs another bloody nose this season.
Other teams have done it and it has worked, but only for a season or two. Jamie Vardy would work, an old man, but still fit and at least he knows where the bloody goal is.
Not an ideal plan going forward, but if it gave us say two seasons of no relegation scrap it would provide some time to rebuild. It is a case of shoving one’s thumb in the hole.
I would prefer Dad’s Army to Z Cars.
Why ?
Who is owned by an Arab state ?
But , back to your question . It’s Arab money is it not ? Wether it’s directly funded through a clubs ownership or money given t a club to buy its assets, it’s exactly the same thing , no ?
Like I said , mental gymnastics .
I suspect we’ll be coping without Partey this season. Kiwior looks like an option if needed.
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Surely if Henderson wants to play crap football in a homophobic location where they think beating women is justified he could just go back to Sunderland?
Apparently Newcastle have tabled a £82m bid for Khvicha Kvaratshkelia from Napoli. This guy is world class and is going to be in the top 3 players in the world alongside Mbappe and Haaland. Suspect the bid will need to be doubled and if clubs get wind of the fact that Napoli may sell him there will be a whole host of top clubs vying for his signature.
Of course it's not the same thing but you already know that, the amount of things you pretend not to know is getting worrying at this stage
Just answer the question .
Top 4 is realistically top 5 this season for CL football, fancy Villa for that spot. Emery is a top manager - their form when he arrived was CL qualification form.
Nah we are going full Chelsea, Arteta out by Jan window.
Hope so. We've added some proper class with Tielemans and Pau Torres. If we can get the Moussa Diaby deal done then we're going to look very strong.
As I’ve said before I hope Liverpool get bought by Arab money.
I hope Joe Gomez goes next for 100m.
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For those interested, this is a good podcast on Arab money and sports washing
Check out this Podcast: Following the Politics of Sport https://player.fm/1BXSMnk
It's a united podcast but does a good job of explaining the aims of these countries
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Our form when he arrived was freefalling into the Championship!
What Villa now has is a very good midfield and just a RB away from an excellent defence. We just need another striker and one or two more supporting attacking players and we're ready. Bearing in mind John McGinn plays a more attacking role for Scotland, we may only bring in one winger and strengthen as we go along.
"A man of little significance"
Sorry I should have said after he arrived lol. Gerrard obviously had them heading for relegation
Right back, Diaby and Johnson (Forest) and we’re good to go. Oh and a replacement back up keeper, as Olsen is the worst keeper I’ve ever seen.
Maguire disappointed to be stripped of captaincy. Fair enough. He can hardly be surprised though. Ruthless but correct (again) from
ten Hag
Does that mean he thinks he’s staying at Man U? Thought they were doing everything they could to move him on.
As a united fan I would get happy to move Maguire on and give a 12 month contract to Johnny Evans as 5th centre back
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I’d say they’re trying to move him on but wages will likely be a stumbling block
Dunno tbh, there was always a mistake or two in Jonny :-)
But he could Be no worse than Maguire
And rightly so .
If they do , and United do , and Tottenham , then brilliant . Bring it on .
It’s the mind bending reasoning about sportswashing etc that comes with opposition to it when it’s simpler to admit that it’s jealousy of other teams winning trophies that actually rankles.
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