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    Quote Originally Posted by senwar View Post
    We (Wednesday) are gone. Yesterday was just horrific. I felt worse walking out yesterday than I did at the 6-0 debacle to Ipswich 2 weeks ago. Hard to believe how Ipswich have progressed since we missed a sitter at 2-0 at their place in February last year and ended up 2-2. They’ve just become a winning machine and are currently 48 points better off than us. A team that came up with them last season. Unreal and fair play.

    I’ll be down Saturday. One of my favourite grounds lotus road although the view on the upper is crap. Played there twice for school in the 80s at half time in our games so a mini claim to fame ha.

    Last chance saloon for us and a reaction needed. One I don’t think will happen and will hammer the nails that little bit further.
    4 weeks ago. Football eh. God bless ya.

    Also congratulations to Ipswich. Fair play

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    Not a town fan (WHU STH), but live in the county and have loved their story. Same group of layers achieving back to back success and playing the right way, what an achievement.

    I hope Norwich come up too, be good to see them both in the Prem next year.


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    I do fear for Leeds in the play offs...in poor form and a lack of confidence. Firpo can be a liability despite good going forwards. Had a shocker today for the second goal. I like to think the Norwich sub-plot will be enough to galvanise the team. However, a potential final against Southampton? Not looking too rosy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Ironic that Blackburn sent Birmingham down as their manager is John Eustace who was sacked by Birmingham this season when they were 6th!
    The madness of bringing Rooney in is all to apparent just bloody crazy I feel for the genuine blues fans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Ironic that Blackburn sent Birmingham down as their manager is John Eustace who was sacked by Birmingham this season when they were 6th!
    Such a brilliant result. After years of refusing to go down like a turd stuck in a toilet, they finally drop. After being owned by some truly dreadful owners, their new "saviours" are the ones to finally get them out of the division, just not in the direction they hoped for. That's twice they've sacked a manager when in 6th to then appoint absolutely terrible managers in their place. Good riddance, and apologies to the good supporters of League 1, not all people from the city are like them.

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    Unbeaten at home in 16 matches (5th November) and we figure pretty high in the various form tables.

    The whole squad has confidence and battle but quality is shaky. Three players out for a while figured today which was great to see.

    I’ve got a good feeling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    Story of the championship…. Amazing

    Close run thing with Sheffield Wednesday’s unbelievable escape. Don’t think they’d been out of the bottom 3 all season until a couple of weeks ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Traveller View Post
    …not all people from the city are like them.
    A Villa fan, per chance? 🤣

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Ironic that Blackburn sent Birmingham down as their manager is John Eustace who was sacked by Birmingham this season when they were 6th!
    Well the new US owners of Birmingham didn't want to be in the Championship next season. thinking Eustace wasn't the man and a marquee name was needed............ and got what they wanted!

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    Quote Originally Posted by David_D View Post
    Close run thing with Sheffield Wednesday’s unbelievable escape. Don’t think they’d been out of the bottom 3 all season until a couple of weeks ago.
    As a Wednesday fan I’m obviously ecstatic - but Ipswich deserve every accolade and definitely are this seasons story for me. Phenomenal achievement and shows what momentum does

    Yep you’re right too - only got out of bottom 3 for first time on 21st April. 252 days in the bottom 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Congratulations Ipswich. What an incredible achievement. To the Prem from the 1st division in consecutive seasons. Amazing job.
    totally; double promotion with a modest budget is an amazing achievement

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    Quote Originally Posted by senwar View Post
    4 weeks ago. Football eh. God bless ya.

    Also congratulations to Ipswich. Fair play
    I like to think that my predicting us fecking up at home against you in the very next game was the salvation of your season..... you're welcome :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitch3110 View Post
    Unbeaten at home in 16 matches (5th November) and we figure pretty high in the various form tables.

    The whole squad has confidence and battle but quality is shaky. Three players out for a while figured today which was great to see.

    I’ve got a good feeling.

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    I have no idea how we are going to beat you over two legs.
    The coaching staff don't know either.
    We have lost all confidence and belief and I really don't think we can get it back this season.
    This is when you rely on characters and leaders who can motivate and I don't see a single one, maybe with the exception of Connor Roberts.
    I counted a single shot from us second half and that was from a set piece.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Leeds View Post
    I have no idea how we are going to beat you over two legs.
    The coaching staff don't know either.
    We have lost all confidence and belief and I really don't think we can get it back this season.
    This is when you rely on characters and leaders who can motivate and I don't see a single one, maybe with the exception of Connor Roberts.
    I counted a single shot from us second half and that was from a set piece.
    Anything can happen over these two legs, I we need a sizeable lead into the second leg, your gaff is tough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo73 View Post
    A Villa fan, per chance? 藍
    But of course!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bravo73 View Post
    A Villa fan, per chance? 🤣
    D’ ya reckon!


    Quote Originally Posted by Space Traveller View Post
    Such a brilliant result. After years of refusing to go down like a turd stuck in a toilet, they finally drop. After being owned by some truly dreadful owners, their new "saviours" are the ones to finally get them out of the division, just not in the direction they hoped for. That's twice they've sacked a manager when in 6th to then appoint absolutely terrible managers in their place. Good riddance, and apologies to the good supporters of League 1, not all people from the city are like them.
    That’s some quality Villa saltiness…. Chapeau!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitch3110 View Post
    Anything can happen over these two legs, I we need a sizeable lead into the second leg, your gaff is tough.

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    It was, less so now. Genuinely Leeds look clueless going forward and shaky defensively. If Leeds don't score first, which they've stopped doing lately, then you win and Leeds have conceded early recently.....

    I recognise the job Farke has done this season but he has been out managed in games recently and seemingly has no in game tactical awareness (or set piece specialist, we must have had 150+ free kicks and corners without scoring!).

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    For those going to the play offs. Don’t become too disheartened as anything can happen.

    We came into them in bad form (we did win our last two but went 8 without a win)

    I was at both legs of ours last year (0-4 / 5-1). If that shows you anything, it’s that nothing is guaranteed. I doubt anyone thought we’d get through after the first leg let alone go up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senwar View Post
    For those going to the play offs. Don’t become too disheartened as anything can happen.

    We came into them in bad form (we did win our last two but went 8 without a win)

    I was at both legs of ours last year (0-4 / 5-1). If that shows you anything, it’s that nothing is guaranteed. I doubt anyone thought we’d get through after the first leg let alone go up.
    I remember watching that 2nd leg on the TV. Utterly amazing game. I remember it made me switch from West Ham's European semi final to watch it!

    I think it was vs Peterborough and it went to penalties at the death right? Crazy game!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    I remember watching that 2nd leg on the TV. Utterly amazing game. I remember it made me switch from West Ham's European semi final to watch it!

    I think it was vs Peterborough and it went to penalties at the death right? Crazy game!
    Took to extra time with last kick of the game. Own goal in extra time put it back in Peterborough favour but we came back again. Then a perfect set of penalties. Followed by the 120+3 winner at Wembley

    Amazing amazing night that I’ll never forget.

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    Hull City have sacked their manager having got them to their highest position in the league in several years and missing out on a play off place by 3 points. Seems an odd decision having signed a contract in December any Hull fans on here, happy with that decision?

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    Not a hull fan but I live locally and the entire fan base is perplexed! Most seem it think Paul Heckingbottom is the favourite, some are shouting for Steve Bruce again!
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    One of our first choice centre half’s just been done for drink driving.

    Great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ktmog6uk View Post
    Not a hull fan but I live locally and the entire fan base is perplexed! Most seem it think Paul Heckingbottom is the favourite, some are shouting for Steve Bruce again!
    I wouldn't even wish Steve Bruce on Birmingham City!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitch3110 View Post
    One of our first choice centre half’s just been done for drink driving.
    It's almost like it's written for him to score against Leeds

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pitch3110 View Post
    One of our first choice centre half’s just been done for drink driving.

    Great.

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    Is it Jonny Walker?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegreatdogwood View Post
    I would keep VAR but change the application for offside.

    Trying to draw a conclusion down to the last toenail is total nonsense when the technology is not that accurate and as we found out against Man U the person drawing the lines puts it on top of the defenders boot costing us a final spot!

    It is supposed to be clear and obvious and should carry forward the preface of favouring the attacker. So just agree and apply a margin, so for instance instead of it being given offside for a toenail, the lines have to be a minimum of six inches, or maybe even a foot apart. At that point it starts to become clear and obvious and is more reflective of the actual margin for error that is inbuilt into the process.
    Late to this but you’re wrong with VAR. It is there for determining if someone is offside. No clear and obvious in that element of it and never has been. It’s ‘factual’ - PGMOL’s words not mine’ - because you are either off or on. Similar to it being factual in the fourth use of VAR, mistaken identity (has anyone seen it used for that?!)

    Application of VAR is the issue and I think most agree with that.

    One thing you rarely see people talk about is goal line tech which baffles me. Yes there is a human element to VAR but people always talk about frame rates and margins of error. The owner of Hawkeye has admitted there is a margin of error with goalline tech too yet when there is a close call (I commentated spurs Bournemouth, look how close that one was), nobody shouts “what about the margin of error!”

    It’s arguably more problematic with goal line tech because that margin of error determines if it’s a goal every time. With VAR and offside it only determines a goal if it’s reviewing one. The rest of the time it determines a penalty or red card which doesn’t guarantee to change the one metric that really matters: the score.


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    Quote Originally Posted by robert75 View Post
    Hull City have sacked their manager having got them to their highest position in the league in several years and missing out on a play off place by 3 points. Seems an odd decision having signed a contract in December any Hull fans on here, happy with that decision?
    Absolutely crazy decision. As a sky blue it means that will be one more side not to worry about next season, I thought they were one of the better sides in that league and he would have had a good chance of top 6 next season. Some of the owners are delusional about where their club should be. So glad we have a sensible owner in Doug King.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tobywatches View Post
    Late to this but you’re wrong with VAR. It is there for determining if someone is offside. No clear and obvious in that element of it and never has been. It’s ‘factual’ - PGMOL’s words not mine’ - because you are either off or on. Similar to it being factual in the fourth use of VAR, mistaken identity (has anyone seen it used for that?!)

    Application of VAR is the issue and I think most agree with that.

    One thing you rarely see people talk about is goal line tech which baffles me. Yes there is a human element to VAR but people always talk about frame rates and margins of error. The owner of Hawkeye has admitted there is a margin of error with goalline tech too yet when there is a close call (I commentated spurs Bournemouth, look how close that one was), nobody shouts “what about the margin of error!”

    It’s arguably more problematic with goal line tech because that margin of error determines if it’s a goal every time. With VAR and offside it only determines a goal if it’s reviewing one. The rest of the time it determines a penalty or red card which doesn’t guarantee to change the one metric that really matters: the score.


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    I know an FA Councillor and he has said the FA are looking into introducing a margin as they recognise the way offside is being run does not work
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    I wouldn't even wish Steve Bruce on Sunderland (again), they've suffered enough. I see they're officially the highest average home attendance in the Championship this season. They're our rivals and all six-toed mutants but considering the dross they've been served up this season, that's amazing! Well done. FTM.

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    I wouldn't even wish Steve Bruce on Birmingham City!

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