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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    Baff…. A proper gut punch that….
    Can't disagree. Leeds created a couple of decent chances in the first half and didn't take them, thought you looked comfortable after that and should have put the game to bed in the second half. Leeds were lucky with your disallowed goal and the deflections for the 2nd and 3rd but once the equaliser went in I thought we were the only potential winners.
    Rutter and Ricardo were both excellent I thought and Meslier made a couple of crucial saves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deepreddave View Post
    Can't disagree. Leeds created a couple of decent chances in the first half and didn't take them, thought you looked comfortable after that and should have put the game to bed in the second half. Leeds were lucky with your disallowed goal and the deflections for the 2nd and 3rd but once the equaliser went in I thought we were the only potential winners.
    Rutter and Ricardo were both excellent I thought and Meslier made a couple of crucial saves.
    You showed a good bit of metal…. We have to be more ruthless

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    If you can win whilst taking a beating for 70 mins then it’s looking good. Leicester dominant then choked under pressure. Going to be an interesting run in! Alaw
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    Southampton seem to be playing themselves out of contention at the moment but Ipswich are certainly keeping the pressure on.

    Still, any two from three is better than any two from four.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post
    Southampton seem to be playing themselves out of contention at the moment but Ipswich are certainly keeping the pressure on.

    Still, any two from three is better than any two from four.
    Oh, you’re dropping us in your equation I see…. Yet Southampton are nearer you than us ;-) !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    Oh, you’re dropping us in your equation I see…. Yet Southampton are nearer you than us ;-) !!!
    A couple of weeks ago Southampton were four points ahead of us and are now five points behind, I’m hoping the slide continues.

    I’m also obviously hoping your slide continues just long enough for us to catch you; again, last week you were twelve points clear of us and today it’s only six.

    I’m also hoping that our winning streak continues to the end of the season (or at least unbeaten!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post
    A couple of weeks ago Southampton were four points ahead of us and are now five points behind, I’m hoping the slide continues.

    I’m also obviously hoping your slide continues just long enough for us to catch you; again, last week you were twelve points clear of us and today it’s only six.

    I’m also hoping that our winning streak continues to the end of the season (or at least unbeaten!)
    Yeah…. I get the logic…

    Here’s me hoping the 3 of you implode and we romp the league not dropping another point…. I don’t want that gap to get any tighter for sure!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    Here’s me hoping the 3 of you implode and we romp the league not dropping another point…. I don’t want that gap to get any tighter for sure!!!
    Yeah - but you're still 6 points ahead of us, and with a much better GD. I don't think you've too much to worry about, unless you implode spectacularly and I don't see that happening.

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    Interesting fact. The FA Cup final is 25th May. The Play off final is 26th May. Both at Wembley.

    Theoretically Leicester could get to both finals and have to play on consecutive days!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Interesting fact. The FA Cup final is 25th May. The Play off final is 26th May. Both at Wembley.

    Theoretically Leicester could get to both finals and have to play on consecutive days!
    my Coventry mate was saying the same until about 2 games ago; now he's focussing on the cup!

    my lot QPR going to Leicester today; hoping there are some nerves in the home end after Leeds dispatch with Huddersfield in the early game........ fingers crossed on both fronts!

    we are ridiculously unpredictable but I expect us to lose as Leicester are stronger all over the pitch, but we manage a couple of freak results (good and bad) every season. Much more solid at the back since the new guy took over but not expecting much from today's game as think Leeds & Leicester are a level above the rest of the division on their day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westberks View Post
    my Coventry mate was saying the same until about 2 games ago; now he's focussing on the cup!

    my lot QPR going to Leicester today; hoping there are some nerves in the home end after Leeds dispatch with Huddersfield in the early game........ fingers crossed on both fronts!

    we are ridiculously unpredictable but I expect us to lose as Leicester are stronger all over the pitch, but we manage a couple of freak results (good and bad) every season. Much more solid at the back since the new guy took over but not expecting much from today's game as think Leeds & Leicester are a level above the rest of the division on their day.
    You got the first bit wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob Leeds View Post
    You got the first bit wrong.
    But not the second!

    As results go, today wasn’t the disaster it could have been for Leeds. Leicester are now well within reach of both Leeds and Ipswich (and possibly even Southampton too).
    It’s just a shame that Ipswich took all three points though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post
    But not the second!

    As results go, today wasn’t the disaster it could have been for Leeds. Leicester are now well within reach of both Leeds and Ipswich (and possibly even Southampton too).
    It’s just a shame that Ipswich took all three points though.
    We were really well organised today. minimal possession but intelligent when we did have it.

    Defence was super organised and the effort put in was extraordinary; very squeaky arsed for the last 20 but held on gamely.

    When Huddersfield captain got sent off I thought Leeds would wear them down eventually; but not to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post
    But not the second!

    As results go, today wasn’t the disaster it could have been for Leeds. Leicester are now well within reach of both Leeds and Ipswich (and possibly even Southampton too).
    It’s just a shame that Ipswich took all three points though.
    With fixtures coming like they are, four points from these last two games is decent.
    Another game Tuesday and then Friday and then an eight day rest before Millwall at home.
    It's been relentless with league and cup fixtures and the squad have put a lot of effort in to get to this position.
    It's all about grinding results out now like we have done from the new year.

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    3 of Southampton's last 4 matches of the season are away at Leicester, away at Ipswich and away at Leeds!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    3 of Southampton's last 4 matches of the season are away at Leicester, away at Ipswich and away at Leeds!
    That’s a potential nine points whilst taking three points each off the teams above. I know it’s a long shot but failure to beat the two teams above, at home, cost Leeds the championship a few seasons back.

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    Good results today as far as I’m concerned (Ipswich), still a long way to go though. Maybe the tools at Sky can stop waxing lyrical about the 3 parachute teams and consider us in the promotion shake up. After all, we’ve been up there all season.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mappa View Post
    Good results today as far as I’m concerned (Ipswich), still a long way to go though. Maybe the tools at Sky can stop waxing lyrical about the 3 parachute teams and consider us in the promotion shake up. After all, we’ve been up there all season.


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    Ipswich have been terrific. Many people (myself included) assumed they'd fall away and they kind of did at the turn of the year but they've refound their mojo and have an excellent chance of promotion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Ipswich have been terrific. Many people (myself included) assumed they'd fall away and they kind of did at the turn of the year but they've refound their mojo and have an excellent chance of promotion.
    Our blip coincided with a tough run of fixtures and injury to our main striker who is pivotal to how we play. Despite that, it took 9/10 wins on the spin for Leeds and Southamptons crazy 23 game unbeaten run to catch us. The Jan window allowed us to address the striker shortage and alongside kinder fixtures has seen a return to form. The champ is such a great league and Leeds beating Leicester last week means it’s 2 from 4 for the automatics rather than 1 from 3!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mappa View Post
    Good results today as far as I’m concerned (Ipswich), still a long way to go though. Maybe the tools at Sky can stop waxing lyrical about the 3 parachute teams and consider us in the promotion shake up. After all, we’ve been up there all season.


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    I’ve been saying for a while that it void be any two from four going up automatically and it’s certainly looking that way now.
    Obviously Leicester and Ipswich are now in the driving seat but with Leicester now having lost three in a row, they’re going to have to get back to winning ways real soon if they’re not to end up in the play offs.

    Right now, the top two at the end of the season is anybody’s guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westberks View Post
    We were really well organised today. minimal possession but intelligent when we did have it.

    Defence was super organised and the effort put in was extraordinary; very squeaky arsed for the last 20 but held on gamely.

    When Huddersfield captain got sent off I thought Leeds would wear them down eventually; but not to be.
    QPR were good…. Very strong defensively and we didn’t lay a glove on you other than our goal despite all our possession

    You took your two chances well…. Big following too

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post
    I’ve been saying for a while that it void be any two from four going up automatically and it’s certainly looking that way now.
    Obviously Leicester and Ipswich are now in the driving seat but with Leicester now having lost three in a row, they’re going to have to get back to winning ways real soon if they’re not to end up in the play offs.

    Right now, the top two at the end of the season is anybody’s guess.
    I’m steadily feeling less confident!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    QPR were good…. Very strong defensively and we didn’t lay a glove on you other than our goal despite all our possession

    You took your two chances well…. Big following too



    I’m steadily feeling less confident!!!
    the top is more interesting than usual with 4 genuine challengers for the top 2. I thought after AFCON you'd be straight back in the zone with players returning but having a proper wobble instead.

    the current form table has us, Sheff Weds and Hudders all near the top, all 3 having changed managers for the better. So the bottom is interesting, arguably up to Bristol who have very mixed form too.

    Really pleased with our new guy and hope we 1) stay up and 2) he stays regardless.

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    Average from Leeds today, didn't create much and lacked urgency, especially against 10 men. Very rare we score goals from the edge of the box too but credit to a physical Udders.

    Disappointed to see Saints grab a late winner again but all credit to Ipswich - I still think they'll drop off but great to see a smaller budget club going well even if they are a PITA .

    Leicester seem too good not to be promoted but if they don't start winning again soon the pressure will be huge.

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    Fair play Ipswich, they never know when they are beaten.

    That being said whoever goes up (and I include Leicester in this) are likely to be whipping boys in the PL. The disparity is vast and FFP means newly promoted sides can't just spend their way to safety. So whoever goes up will most likely be straight down - even the best Championship side of recent years (Burnley) have been totally outclassed in the PL.

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    The Championship Fred 23/24

    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Fair play Ipswich, they never know when they are beaten.

    That being said whoever goes up (and I include Leicester in this) are likely to be whipping boys in the PL. The disparity is vast and FFP means newly promoted sides can't just spend their way to safety. So whoever goes up will most likely be straight down - even the best Championship side of recent years (Burnley) have been totally outclassed in the PL.
    The three promoted sides have always struggled in the PL but at least one usually manage to stay up. In fact, last season, all three managed it.

    This season could be the first one that the three promoted teams go straight back down.

    Whilst I do agree, it’s tough and the gap between the PL and championship is getting wider, newly promoted sides are certainly easy meat for the top teams but the gap between the lower PL teams is quite narrow. I think a season of success in the championship gives teams a head start compared to a season of struggling to stay up by the lower finishing PL sides.

    I think that if the three promoted this season will all survive next season in the PL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post

    I think that if the three promoted this season will all survive next season in the PL.
    I think we'll need to agree to disagree here. Perhaps Leeds may stay up but Leicester and Ipswich/Southampton would plummet straight down without significant investment and I don't believe they have the funds for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    I think we'll need to agree to disagree here. Perhaps Leeds may stay up but Leicester and Ipswich/Southampton would plummet straight down without significant investment and I don't believe they have the funds for that.
    It’s really a bit early to be predicting who will be relegated next season but, should Everton go down this year, the first two on my list would be Luton and Forest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli View Post
    What’s important is that you keep winning. I know you know that, sorry. Sunderland dominated the second half which I found amazing, I expected you to be so much better.

    Keep going and you’ll get up automatically.
    Started off like a steam train and got out goal when we should have been 2 or 3 up

    Other than the long range hit, our goalie was not that busy despite us ceding possession

    We were a bit ropey really

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post
    No one can afford to stop winning, Leeds drawing last weekend cost us an automatic promotion spot. Leicester had a great cushion so their three consecutive defeats hasn’t cost them too spot, they can’t afford to do it again though!
    That’s it now…. Anyone wanting top 2 can not have a slump


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    I think we'll need to agree to disagree here. Perhaps Leeds may stay up but Leicester and Ipswich/Southampton would plummet straight down without significant investment and I don't believe they have the funds for that.
    Ok…. We’ll see i guess ( I hope)…. But, I don’t agree….

    Leeds would probably do ok and I think we have a strong enough squad (with a couple retained and a couple of additions) to be mid table

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    I'm not sure how you reach that position Ryan. I think Leicester will have the experience, finance and coach to have the best chance of any of them of staying up. Ipswich would struggle badly and I'd put Leeds and Southampton on a par. The Leeds coach has already proven he's not EPL quality and the club lacked real finance to stay up last time.

    All opinions of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    I think we'll need to agree to disagree here. Perhaps Leeds may stay up but Leicester and Ipswich/Southampton would plummet straight down without significant investment and I don't believe they have the funds for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli View Post
    I'm not sure how you reach that position Ryan. I think Leicester will have the experience, finance and coach to have the best chance of any of them of staying up. Ipswich would struggle badly and I'd put Leeds and Southampton on a par. The Leeds coach has already proven he's not EPL quality and the club lacked real finance to stay up last time.

    All opinions of course.
    Unfortunately David, I have to agree with your assessment.

    We’ve still got to get up yet though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli View Post
    I'm not sure how you reach that position Ryan. I think Leicester will have the experience, finance and coach to have the best chance of any of them of staying up. Ipswich would struggle badly and I'd put Leeds and Southampton on a par. The Leeds coach has already proven he's not EPL quality and the club lacked real finance to stay up last time.

    All opinions of course.
    Leicester have a team that can overpower Championship teams but they lack the raw pace of Leeds which is why I think Leeds may do better in the PL because whilst they will undoubtedly ship a hatful of goals, having that explosive pace is a real asset and always gives you an outlet and platform to cause damage.

    Leicester don't have the finance, the King Power Group are less interested in ploughing all their cash into the team particularly as they already wrote off the debt. Southampton just don't have the firepower to compete and re Ipswich, the manager is working miracles there but City/Liverpool/Arsenal away is going to be an absolute bloodbath for that side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli View Post
    The Leeds coach has already proven he's not EPL quality and the club lacked real finance to stay up last time.
    Farke was with Norwich then who were always likely to struggle given their financial position. Leeds' current owners lack neither ambition or the funds to support the club.
    That said there's a lot about the Championship that I prefer to the PL playground for despots, crooks and billionaires.

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    Ipswich have some bounce back ability and seem to have scored countless late winners so fair play, 6 wins on the bounce for them.

    Leeds missed numerous chances, never looked comfortable and it felt like they were hanging on against 10 men in the end but still 10 wins and one draw in the last 11 is decent.

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    Ugly win for us…. But, it was a win

    What Ipswich are doing is nothing short of remarkable….

    Snagged tickets for the Chelsea in the cup yesterday…. The FA Cup is way more fun

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    What’s important is that you keep winning. I know you know that, sorry. Sunderland dominated the second half which I found amazing, I expected you to be so much better.

    Keep going and you’ll get up automatically.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    Ugly win for us…. But, it was a win

    What Ipswich are doing is nothing short of remarkable….

    Snagged tickets for the Chelsea in the cup yesterday…. The FA Cup is way more fun

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    Quote Originally Posted by TaketheCannoli View Post
    What’s important is that you keep winning. I know you know that, sorry. Sunderland dominated the second half which I found amazing, I expected you to be so much better.

    Keep going and you’ll get up automatically.
    No one can afford to stop winning, Leeds drawing last weekend cost us an automatic promotion spot. Leicester had a great cushion so their three consecutive defeats hasn’t cost them too spot, they can’t afford to do it again though!

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    It’s getting so tight at the top now, if Leicester lose today, they could only be on top due to goal difference with Leeds in third only two points behind and potentially having a greater goal difference (or at worst, the same). Hull won’t be an easy game either with the home side pushing to keep in the playoffs.

    That said, a win for Ipswich at Cardiff isn’t a given either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post
    It’s getting so tight at the top now, if Leicester lose today, they could only be on top due to goal difference with Leeds in third only two points behind and potentially having a greater goal difference (or at worst, the same). Hull won’t be an easy game either with the home side pushing to keep in the playoffs.

    That said, a win for Ipswich at Cardiff isn’t a given either.
    Hull away ain’t going to be easy

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolfie View Post
    Hull away ain’t going to be easy
    Even more difficult now.

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    Wow what a collapse from Ipswich!

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    Wow what a collapse from Ipswich!
    Yeh, very out of character for us. We’ve drawn and won plenty with late goals in recent weeks. That’s football, plenty more twists to come I’m sure.


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    Southampton right in it as well, they still have Leeds, Leicester and Ipswich to play!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Southampton right in it as well, they still have Leeds, Leicester and Ipswich to play!
    They’re no longer the masters of their own destiny but they’re certainly keeping the pressure on.

    I’m sure there will be a few more twists and turns before the season’s finished.

    I’m encouraged that so far this season, Leeds have been getting the results against the other teams in contention.

    I’m hoping that by the time Southampton visit Elland Road, it will be all done and dusted from a Leeds point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave+63 View Post
    They’re no longer the masters of their own destiny but they’re certainly keeping the pressure on.

    I’m sure there will be a few more twists and turns before the season’s finished.

    I’m encouraged that so far this season, Leeds have been getting the results against the other teams in contention.

    I’m hoping that by the time Southampton visit Elland Road, it will be all done and dusted from a Leeds point of view.
    They still are masters of their destiny but they'll need to beat Ipswich (they'll go above them) and then beat Leeds by 16 goals (they'll go above them ).

    Assuming they don't win 17-1 at Elland Road then they'll need Leeds to drop points.

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    Having watched the second half of the Cardiff Ipswich game anything is possible in this league.
    95' and a 100' winner after doing absolutely nothing until extra time.
    Unless Southampton play Preston next week due to the cancelled fixture they will play an extra two games in April, one of those against Leicester.
    I think eight games in February didn't help their form and so getting into the autos going in to the last game of the season is going to be a stretch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryanb741 View Post
    Southampton right in it as well, they still have Leeds, Leicester and Ipswich to play!
    Southampton are play off bound…

    B@ll@x today for us but point s gained

    9 to go, we’re not home and hosed, but not far off…. We look a bit knackered…. A nice FA cup and international break please

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    Crazy isn’t it?

    I’d say anyone down to 11th could potentially get promoted and anyone from 15th (possibly 14th) down could be relegated.

    That just leaves Sunderland, Bristol and possibly Watford who are definitely staying put.

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    Well that’s done Ipswich’s goal difference a world of good!

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    Well that’s done Ipswich’s goal difference a world of good!
    A great performance after last week. Sheff Wed being terrible at the back helped.
    Could do with a Millwall favour tomorrow.


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    Big win for the Massey Ferguson crew.
    Back to business for the bottom clubs after a few decent results.

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