Reply With QuoteI sensed this is how a sole trader I used - was working. Transferred the money to his account when complete.Originally Posted by noTAGlove
Why does that matter?
I sensed this is how a sole trader I used - was working. Transferred the money to his account when complete.
Wondered whether this is more prevalent in certain parts of the country.
Once I had established all was good (working below VAT threshold) as was happy to pay them as they pleased.
I received an invoice and receipts for all work.
It's not necessarily VAT fraud, although if he's a Limited Company that's been around for decades it's easy to see what his turnover is and therefore whether he's liable for VAT. A cash payment for a cheaper quote to a Ltd company is almost certainly corporation tax fraud though.
I do find these threads somewhat funny. Quite a few Tunbridge Wells types taking the moral high ground. People who have probably not struggled with minimum wage or well below average wages.
Not saying that is the case here, but a lot of the barely legal stuff happens when money is very tight, or non existent.
When I where a lad, it wasn't a shoebox in middle of road type stuff, but we had no money and cash in hand was just normal.
You worried about the leccy man calling to find a big u-bar breaching the meter, not a bit of cash in hand stuff. Didn't answer the front door without peeking through the net curtain for 10 years, lol.
There is a whole different world beyond middle class Britain.
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Take the saving and enjoy the door.
His tax affairs are his business. So long as you have a warranty and paperwork it’s job done.
Precisely whatever happened to minding your own business.
Really? How would you establish that, knowing only one location of one person?
Why don't you start a TZ survey?
Sounds familiar. We had a tiny hole drilled through the meter and a wire stopping the disc. Makes me weep thinking about it now. Them were the days.
I think you'd be hard pushed to find anywhere in the UK that could come close to Westminster for tax dodgers and fraudsters.
There’s a surprise.
What’s that got to do with anything? It’s nothing to do with any moral high ground.
We live in a society where working together makes things happen. The more freeloaders there are screwing the system the less resources in the pot for the system to support the needs of the less fortunate.
I choose to play by the rules and contribute because I want a society where the state has the resources to support those who need it.
The problem these days is there are too many selfish types screwing the system for their own benefit.
… and just because others do it doesn’t make it ok … live by your own moral compass regardless of the actions of others.
Absolutely appreciate that cash deals may be the only way for less affluent members of society, but less so for members of a watch forum, no?
Absolutely this! OPs got a bunch of tasty watches I'm sure, so don't think £££ is the issue!
And anyway, who were these skint folk back in the day getting tradesmen in? No cash, then DIY!
Apparently a few £Billions in tax lost through this kind of cash in hand, of the books, transacting.
Very surprising responses from some of the BP most left leaning, society engaged participants.
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Playing the devils advocate, If a person is willing to screw the government and risk possible criminal charges what chance would a private individual have when dealing with that type of person ?
Many are only left leaning up to the point they are not impacting their own situation, then its every man for himself ...
Nobody cares and nobody questions as long as it is cheap enough. Look at the hundreds who bought cheap phones on SC from Vinny over a decade or more.
Not if they’re not VAT registered!
Never heard of that being prosecuted but people are prosecuted, and sometimes jailed, for tax evasion. Not really sure you’ve chosen the best comparison there.
It’s Illegal. You claimed before tax evasion is illegal.
You can’t pick and choose what laws you stick to if you want to take the moral high ground. You either abide by every law or you’re as bad as anyone else.
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Just got a haircut and paid in cash.
If I paid by card I’d have had to tip.
It's not about "taking the moral high ground" its about following your own moral compass ...
If someone has got drunk in a pub and behaved themselves then there is zero impact on anyone else or wider society ... I don't see any problem. If they get stroppy and start a fight then that is a different matter.
Tax evasion generally hurts the people in society that have the least .. if you are OK with that then that is your choice your moral compass ...
Making irrelevant analogies doesn't change change the situation or in some way excuse your choice to participate in tax evasion for your own enrichment ...
I’m responded to what you stated. You claimed it doesn’t matter if everyone does it, it’s ILLEGAL.
To which I’ve replied it’s ILLEGAL to be drunk in a pub but I’m sure you’ve done that.
You either follow the law or you don’t. You can’t pick and choose and take the moral high ground when you want.
Being drunk in a pub generally hurts people. The NHS of a weekend is packed with drunk people who have harmed themselves or others in pubs drunk and puts a massive strain on services.
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'Twas ever thus......
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Luxury....
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
I think you are getting confused. I have not said that…
My point is quite clear. Tax evasion generally hurts the people in society with the least.
As an aside and not wishing to turn this into an A level Philosophy chat......it's not the case that following the law is always the morally correct thing to do.
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Says Surrey man who comments / thinks Berkshire is just Slough.
Exactly, those of us that should contribute, should
Or the person willing to pay to avoid such.
Didn't you get screwed on currency with him trying to be cheap?
Gotta round the haircut up Willey
£12.50 leave £15
Iranians at the place I use aren't declaring that are they.
Scoundrels.
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My barber takes cash or card. Same price, and he always writes each cut in his ledger however it’s paid.
Best Regards - Peter
I'd hate to be with you when you're on your own.
He’s put the price up from 35 to 38.50, clearly wants 40. I give a tenner at Christmas but that’s the limit.
When I’m fully bald I’ll find a Middle Eastern scalper and accept my fate. Round here you never know where they’re from, they all say they’re Turkish and you just have to go along with it.
Christ.
£38.50 that hurts
I suppose when I gave a shit 20 odd years ago I paid about £17 so probably about the same with inflation.
Used to get a good looking lass doing it who's knockers would tend to give you a wee bump here and there.
Halcyon days.
Get a set of Braun clippers and do it yourself. I shaved my head today, took 10 mins and cost sod all. I think some of you guys are a bunch of tarts flaffing over your hair.
And paying the cost of a Rolex to have pubes implanted back on the top of your head is nuts. Man up and accept that a fine slap is the way ahead.
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I don’t have the jaw line to carry off the chrome dome just yet. Might have to find out where hood got his washed as the place I go is just one guy and I’m the one with the tits
I purchased a barber quality pair for about £120 4 years ago. Quick grade 0.5 on the top & grade 1 for the long stubble a couple of times a week & all sorted.
Toyed with the implants but just accepted my fate.
I have a painter.
A first-class old school painter.
He is VERY VERY good.
He can natter like an old woman, his views on this government are uncomplimentary and pretty much mirror mine, I care not and just keep feeding him strong English Breakfast tea. He has earned (via performance) his access to a caddy of decent tea as opposed to the general tradesman’s caddy.
I pay him in cash.
Tax and VAT are not discussed or ever mentioned.
I talk to him about paint and the state of the nation generally, not tax.
How much he pays in taxes is ALL of his personal business and NONE of mine.
IF he chooses not to pay all his taxes and does not contribute his correct share to the government, I have no knowledge or suspicion of that and I consider that it is not my job to pass any moral judgement upon him.
I care about the quality of his painting, not his tax affairs.
The government get their full share of taxes from me, they do not pay me to spend any of my time moralising about the tax affairs of my painter or anyone else for that matter.
I sleep well at night, I suspect my painter sleeps well too judging by his calm demeanour and painting skills.
I have a painter, a first-class old school painter who is choosy as he has more work available to him than you could shake a number of sticks at and he selectively does listed building work. I do not have a listed building but he cares not and I get his standard of workmanship at a perfectly fair price.
I am lucky to have a painter of this calibre, a painter whose identity I do not share for purely selfish reasons, he will slot me in to do a job where he can, he knows that if I say that I will pay him £X tomorrow, that will happen without fail and he can rely on me as I can rely on him.
If I had to choose between having a politician to dinner or my painter, I would choose my painter, he is knowledgeable and interesting and in my experience he does not lie.
I am fortunate to have a painter, a first-class old school painter and we understand each other.
Have a good day.
Bloody hell Kav, we should enter that prose for a Booker prize or summet
Ideal working relationship I'd say.
That's not almost 40 quid a haircut...jeez. I bought Mrs P some clippers, she does mine, mostly a 2 and a 1, works for me.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
During the week old farts rate of £7 and I always leave £10, 40% tip.
I've a good painter too but it's not rocket science.
There's a saying in the trades I believe
"if you can piss you can paint"
LOL! You are too kind! I don’t owe you any money do I ?
That's wonderful, but what do you think of the OPs situation.
His garage door man has offered him a 25% discount if he pays in cash, and muttered something about saving corporate tax.
What do you think is going on and what do you suggest?
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Actually it IS rocket science and a definite art, as is the fine art of plastering! There is a significant difference between Rembrant and a squaddie on jankers slapping whitewash on a rock!
I would not be happy and would take my business elsewhere. My reasons are that the offer of a 25% discount for cash just tells me he was trying to overcharge me in the first place which puts him high on my ‘*uck right off and I mean now’ list. Additionally, a GDM who wants cash from a stranger as he mutters something about saving tax of any description is not a fellow that inspires either confidence or trust and he would be departing.
Been doing my slap head for years, even before it went into full retreat. Never even toyed with the idea of a transplant though my wife has a friend who’s been involved in the business for years and would offer a very generous discount!
Nearly £40 for a short back and sides, Jesus!
Was Rembrandt a decorator? Just wondering, because the local guy who did our decorating was excellent but I doubt his ability to recreate The Night Watch or Belshazzars's Feast.Actually it IS rocket science and a definite art, as is the fine art of plastering! There is a significant difference between Rembrant and a squaddie on jankers slapping whitewash on a rock!
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Belshazzar’s feast does not hit the high notes for me, there is something I don’t like about a bloke with an earring and a crown atop a turban busily nicking the gold and silver!
Dazzlingly well painted though, (this from a guy who misspelt Rembrandt!)
Ha brill. I love it when I get a job painting (as a carpenter)... Nice easy work.
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