Hi

Self confessed newbie and potential noodle - happy for harsh comments to ensue because I probably deserve them!!!

I purchased an Oris Williams F1 from this forum 10 odd years ago and absolutely love it. Not everyone's cup of tea but I like it and wear it a lot. I fancied a more vintage watch, so thought rather than go down the Omega or Heuer route I'd look at Oris. Didn't want to spend a fortune, so looked on eBay. I was somewhat dazzled by the following 2 watches so bidded and won them both

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/116099441419
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/116099411895

Again, appreciate they are certainly not everyones cup of tea but I like unusual things and colours, and thought on the right Nato strap they might look different and good.

When I received them they seemed too good - like new in fact, and very lightweight. The edges of the case are very very sharp, and overall leads me to believe they are indeed fake. I suspect the only thing that might have a slight chance at being original are the dials, but even then I'm doubtful.

I should have returned them straight away, but life got in the way and now it's past the 30 day return period. I notice the seller is selling more Oris watches, and I've contacted him saying I suspect they may be fake. Whilst I'm not saying he is knowingly selling fake watches, he may be totally innocent in thinking he has a supply of real Oris watches (which he might if I'm wrong and they are real).

Appreciate it is very very difficult to tell from pictures, but what are peoples opinions?? I can open up the case backs if it helps.