Reply With QuoteSushi! Sushi! :DOriginally Posted by ryanb741
john
Banzai! Banzai! Banzai! :twisted:TBH I think your choice of thread title was bound to wind people up somewhat. :wink:
All that Tora stuff and "Rolex slayer" was rather antagonistic IMO.
Are you going to fly past in your Zero next? :lol:
Sushi! Sushi! :D
john
Costume jewellery. Ouch!!!
Wow - what a thread! Let me give you guys a common enemy to unite against.
I wouldn't buy either one. IMO,
Grand Seiko = I have more money than sense (spending that much money on a Seiko??)
Rolex = I have more money than sense (Every yuppy who's 'arrived' buys one)
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Never been called a yuppie before. Thanks a bunch! :)
Off to ebay now for a raincoat, filofax, silver briefcase, yellow three wheel van and a brother called Rodney?
Interesting thread as mentioned previously.
I have owned a Rolex GMT Ceramic and have handled the Seiko GMT Spring Drive for a day. I love the Rolex and still think it is their best offering right now by a proverbial mile, but I still prefer the Seiko. It is one of the best watches I have ever come in to contact with, especially when it was priced at £1800 slightly used!! No photo does it justice.
Sorry Jimmerjammer, there is no hope for you, or indeed any of us. But you are right, I am a nice bloke, how could you tell?i wasn,nt just jealous i turned fu....g green ....i wish that i was nice like you are :( ...do you think theres any hope for me ? :PFunnily enough that's just how I felt when the Rolex GMT11c was launched minus the jealousy. Never felt the need to get jealous .
Cheers.
These are some of the best photos of the SBGE001 on the web
http://mollewatch.webgain.se/informatio ... upId=12335
john
Costume jewellery. Ouch!!!
Thanks for those, John - I'd forgotten that Molle used to have one of these. OK, sold. Bangkok, March, Boutique, etc.
I will be going either this weekend or next (depends how hungover I am from our xmas party on sat :D ). Will report back with pics if possible.
I will be going either this weekend or next (depends how hungover I am from our xmas party on sat :D ). Will report back with pics if possible.
Good lad, it's the Emporium Mall (Phrom Phong BTS), it's either the 2nd or 3rd floor (can't remember) and located in the part just outside the entrance to the main department store.
They have some nice Credor models in there if you've got a spare few million Baht burning a hole in your pocket :D
I await your report! Pics, please! Ooh and prices, if you can, if only on the model featured in this thread. (I've got the email address up in another window, ready to ask them to get one in stock for me...)
A friend of mine has several modern Grand Seikos including GS Springdrive. (he occasionally has a stall at the watch fair at the Motorbike Museum, so you may have met him if you visited the fair). I have handled them and they are of excellent quality. The details are absolute brilliant. I own watches by several brands with Rolex being the main, including the GMT IIc. Funny thing is, I have nevered compared the GS against my rolex. The reason why is simply they are all great watches and I love them all.
No slaying involved.
Pete aka ObiWan
Bl**dy hell, that's utterly gorgeous! If it's one thing Seiko really do well, it's the lume.Stefans pic. once more 8)
An absolutely beautiful watch and I'm sure it's more than a rival for anything in its price bracket. I'd love to see it in the metal one day.
Enjoy, love it and wear it in good health.
One of the best examples of brand snobbery I've seen on here.
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
I have more money than sense
You probably have..........
Cheers,
Daddel.
Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!
Seiko? Japanese?? Not making watches now are they, the b*stards! Nothing good will come of it, mark my words. Just like Yokahama Tyres! And Kumho, too (or are they Korean - somewhere miles away, anyway) - just try asking for a Kumho in Dar es Salaam and see how far you get. The Japanese don't understand KiSwahili you know. :drunken:
The other sense severely lacking these days is a sense of humour. Lighten up mate - its called a joke! :roll: :roll: :roll:
Thank you it is of great interest to me as I like the Grand seiko in all its forms,just wish there were a few less to choose fromTrust me if I was struggling to justify a purchase it wouldn't be on a public watch forum! And I don't think the superlatives are OTT, I don't do this for any of the other watches I own.
Oh and re comparing it with a Patek, I have owned a Nautilus before so I think that if I want to make comparisons then I am perfectly entitled to based on my experience. If you don't agree then that is your prerogative, and there are more elegant ways of disagreeing than p*ssing on my thread :roll:
Of course for you to say my superlatives are OTT, I assume you have a Grand Seiko yourself on which to base your assertion.....If not, then please let me express my personal opinion on a public watch forum, hopefully it is of interest to someone.
What a great thread it's made my afternoon. Thankyou all. Love the Seiko by the way :)
Bored with it yet Ryan ?
No bl**dy way, it's my absolute fave now. 8) I decided to move on my PAM 111 as it wouldn't get the wrist time any more (although I'm keeping my ND Sub as you always need a Sub in the collection IMHO), although a 2009 Breitling Blackbird is inbound so the flipping is still going strong. :D I still stand by my 'as good as Patek Philippe' assertion, indeed I'm not the only one judging by this thread;
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t= ... 4588&rid=0
This one isn't going anywhere (unless a real financial crisis was the cause). Indeed I'm eyeing up another GS in 2010 but I don't want to pay list so it's a case of waiting patiently for a pre-loved one to come along (which isn't often)
8) i thought about flipping and going for the Ti diver but got a bit attached to mine, i'll see how work goes next year and have both hopefully.No bl**dy way, it's my absolute fave now. 8) I decided to move on my PAM 111 as it wouldn't get the wrist time any more (although I'm keeping my ND Sub as you always need a Sub in the collection IMHO), although a 2009 Breitling Blackbird is inbound so the flipping is still going strong. :D I still stand by my 'as good as Patek Philippe' assertion, indeed I'm not the only one judging by this thread;
http://forums.timezone.com/index.php?t= ... 4588&rid=0
This one isn't going anywhere (unless a real financial crisis was the cause). Indeed I'm eyeing up another GS in 2010 but I don't want to pay list so it's a case of waiting patiently for a pre-loved one to come along (which isn't often)
This Seiko is beautiful! It has a more modern design than Rolex
But is it a ''classic'' design, one that will still look good in 50 years from now?
its just a watch not a fashion parade. its not wildly different looking than lots of other watchesBut is it a ''classic'' design, one that will still look good in 50 years from now?
I think it's the font Seiko use that puts me off it. I've looked hard at the pics and I can't put my finger on any other reason why it leaves me a little cold. :|
I didn't mention the word fashion, but ''Classic.'' You say the ''Seiko has a more modern design than Rolex'' well that seems to me to be leaning toward ''fashion'' in my opinion. Rolex have been making their watches for a long time now and the design has only subtly changes in 50 odd years. Seiko on the other hand have made a bewildering array of case & dial designs. Some of those do seem to be quite dated now IMO. I'm not knocking Seiko here, all I'm saying is there are different philosophies in their approach to making wristwatches. The Parthenon embodies classic 'design cues' still being used today. It's true also, of say Chippendale or Hepplewhite furniture that use proportions that seem to be relevant over a long period of time. We still have a ''Lloyds'' building & IKEA furniture though.its just a watch not a fashion parade. its not wildly different looking than lots of other watchesBut is it a ''classic'' design, one that will still look good in 50 years from now?
Cheers.
i wasnt knocking rolex either look at this beauty 8) both rolex and seiko make bling watches
Excellent thread! I have a GMT2c and a load of Seikos and being most impressed with my Atlas, which I think is almost as good as the Rolex, I'm really looking forward to trying out one of these GSs. Don't give a toss about Seiko not being Rolex, the only thing I'd need to do is justify spending that much now I already have a £3.5k watch.
"A man of little significance"
You know Karl whenever I see that Credor the dial reminds me of looking at the underside of an old china tea cup. :lol: :wink:
I assume the dial is porcelain with the indices fired on?
Cheers,
Neil.
This is the unique Credor featured in issue 39 of QP magazine, which sold to a Japanese collector for over £300,000. A very bold choice considering the alternatives such as this Patek Philippe minute repeater sold for $575,000 at the Christies HK auction just before Xmas.You know Karl whenever I see that Credor the dial reminds me of looking at the underside of an old china tea cup. :lol: :wink:
I assume the dial is porcelain with the indices fired on?
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/lot_ ... 75213&sid=
I've not had an oppurtunity to handle any of the Grand Sport Spring Drive, so I found Ryans' report interesting. I applaud his decision to put his money where his mouth is...so to speak.
I am still gobsmacked at the value placed of the Credor....
:lol: :lol: same here Neil, not my cup of tea at all :wink: other sides not bad tho.
It is Neil:-
The dial for this model is porcelain, made by the famous Noritake company of Japan renowned for their ceramic wares
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
I saw a Credor Grand Sonnerie for sale in the Seiko boutique in Bangkok for well over £100 grand. :shock: Makes my Grand Seiko seem like cheap tat now :D
You'll be getting them in Argos next .... :P
john
Costume jewellery. Ouch!!!
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Japan's Watch Revival: The Lexus Effect
http://uk.askmen.com/fashion/trends_500 ... ffect.html
The mag's other watch reviews:
http://uk.askmen.com/fashion/keywords/mens-watches.html
john
Costume jewellery. Ouch!!!
[quote=Chris_in_the_UK]It is Neil:-
[/quote:n2b40dkp]The dial for this model is porcelain, made by the famous Noritake company of Japan renowned for their ceramic wares
Thanks Chris. :)
Noritake eh?
Beautiful quality porcelain.
Cheers,
Neil.
The Carmania would look good with a porcelain dial ... :blackeye:
john
Costume jewellery. Ouch!!!
It certainly looks nice enough and I have do doubtsthat it's a high quality product. But.... it is a Seiko, and I could not get my head around spending Rolex money on a brand that you can buy in H Samuel or Argos for £100 or so. Reading your text I think you have tried very hard to convince yourself more than anything else and I expect to see it on SC very soon. In the meantime.....enjoy.
You actually couldn't be further from the truth. Since getting it I shifted my Pam 111, Milgauss and my Sub ND will be next to go as they just didn't stack up against the Seiko (although the Milgauss was involved in the deal that saw the Seiko arrive). I had subsequently had a Breitling Blackbird inbound which I actually really like so that one's staying for now, although ironically I would like another GMTIIc next.
Also Steve you will appreciate that I am being impartial re the Seiko vs the GMTIIc as it was you who purchased my GMTIIc off me so you will be aware that I had one on which to make my comparison.
Hi Ryan, I remember when Luke (Tangaroa) spent thousands on a Spring Drive Seiko (Not sure which model) about 18 months ago and I was impressed with the quality, but just couldn't get my head around spending thousands on a Seiko and we had the same debate. He is into really high end brands like AP and Patek so when he sais the Seiko Spring Drive is high quality I have to take note. Maybe one day I will get it because I do like Seiko and it's the brand that first got me into this watch hobby.ryanb741 Wrote: You actually couldn't be further from the truth. Since getting it I shifted my Pam 111, Milgauss and my Sub ND will be next to go as they just didn't stack up against the Seiko (although the Milgauss was involved in the deal that saw the Seiko arrive). I had subsequently had a Breitling Blackbird inbound which I actually really like so that one's staying for now, although ironically I would like another GMTIIc next.
Also Steve you will appreciate that I am being impartial re the Seiko vs the GMTIIc as it was you who purchased my GMTIIc off me so you will be aware that I had one on which to make my comparison.
Really like that Blackbird, I came very close to doing a deal with the seller but he didn't wan't to trade with my Pam 88 GMT and I didn't have the cash. Now that is a great watch and the best looking Breitling IMHO. 8)
:lol: :roll: you cant buy gs. Or any high end seiko in samuel. Argos. The reason some cant get their head round all this is because you are a label whore and a fashion victim. Its the chav mentality in you.
reading this arrogant condesending text sounds like your saying Ryan doesnt really know what hes talking about or lying about his thoughts on this watch.
Guys, I took a trip to the Seiko Boutique (by Trocadero Group) in Bangkok on Saturday. Very nice place, friendly staff and an onsite repairman who you can see at work over the counter, which I thought was a nice touch. They had A LOT of Grand Seiko in stock, most models you can think of, including some Credor, the whole Ananta range , Velatura, etc. Plus plenty of limited pieces. The one thing they were lacking were the Prospex range, which I was disspointed with as I had planned to buy myself a MM300. However, the salesman did say that they get roughly 1-2 per month and he would be emailing me as soon as he had stock :twisted:
He also mentioned that if you pay with credit card he would give a 20% discount on any watch, and if you pay cash you get a 25% discount!
They can also source any Seiko/GS for you from Japan. If you're a Seiko lover and you're in Bangkok I recommend you pay a quick visit there. Theres a few other watch shops in the shopping centre.
Reading this load of tripe suggests you have totally misunderstood my text. I know Ryan and I am sure he took my post in the spirit it was intended in response to the 'Rolex Slayer' heading. Most of us are passionate about watches which is why were on here and I humbly believe the initial elation will fade quickly. If it doesn't and he's happy with it in the long term and It becomes a keeper then I would be only to happy to have been proven wrong, it's just that everyone I know who has spent big on the Spring Drive models has ended up selling them quickly.Karl Wrote: reading this arrogant condesending text sounds like your saying Ryan doesnt really know what hes talking about or lying about his thoughts on this watch.
You can compare Seiko with Seiko like Swatch with Breguet... same thing, they all tell the time. Same companies too and to each their own. I love Swatch, Rolex and Seiko "experts" alike. :lol: 8)
right ok. i didnt realise you were joking when you said 'your trying to convince yourself' i read it as you was being serious, silly me, you would have to be a complete moron to do that and start a thread like this.
just chill guys....its only a Seiko :lol:
Things can be taken out of context easily (god knows its happened to me and probably is right now). At first I also thought, eh, that doesnt sound right (shalako initial post) but if Ryan's alright with it, then he is alright with it. I think we are Seiko-philes and I love you all for it. Me too. The spring drive GMT looks awesome, and the GS bug is starting to fiddle around with me....its only a matter of time (2 months hopefeully....and then the SBGR023 shall be mine!).
I too think spending £££££ on a Seiko is silly, but if you are spending £££££ on a watch (any watch) then surely it matters what you get for that kind of green. I mean the Sub I have now is trampeled on by the MM300 in almost every way..but the reason the Sub wins for me is because its a Sub, its a classic, with a durable proven movement and a parts supply chain that I know wont fail me (even though the prices sometimes may seem extortionate).
If I had the money available for a watch at that price (having scratched my '70s Omega diver itch, naturally) I'd buy one. I'm a big fan of another mostly unloved piece of Japanese kit, the Honda NSX, which blew away the 911 and 348 when it came out in the early '90s. The Honda was brilliantly engineered, using lightweight materials to counter the limitations of the self-imposed (by the Japanese car industry as a whole) engine power limit of around 280 to 300 bhp. The V6 engine was unstressed, the car was completely reliable and it didn't cost much more than a normal Honda to service. Very few people bought them because the name, synonymous with mass-produced cars and pizza delivery bikes, and parking at pub factor, were nothing to most people compared to that of Ferrari or Porsche. If Seikos held their price then we'd probably be all over the high end ones like a rash. I agree with what someone mentioned earlier, they need European designers to appeal to us lot outside of Japan.
"A man of little significance"
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