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Anyone know about the Knights Templar? 8) :shock:
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Bry
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Eh, know WHAT about them?
I'm not as think as you drunk I am.
+1 :)Originally Posted by mr1973
anything specific?
read Dan Brown on this as he knows everything.....( :D )
Thanks Mr Puller! :D
Ermm I'm just doing research at the moment, finding out what the general or above average public know :wink:
Regs
Bry
Bry,
I had never heard of them until I read the Da Vinci Code. So all my basis of what I know of these guardians are based on what Dan Brown has told me :)
Never mind the Knights Templar, Simon Templar's your man! :wink:
F.T.F.A.
i have a bit of a history obsession with the crusades so know about them because of that. always perceived as the bad guys but more secretive and wealthy than anything else.
13 - "unlucky for some" ;)
Careful Bry, they make addictive reading and don't get me started on Oak Island or Rosslyn Chapel :shock:
Cheers
Simon
Ralph Waldo Emerson: We ask for long life, but 'tis deep life, or noble moments that signify. Let the measure of time be spiritual, not mechanical.
I read up on stuff like this all the time when I'm bored, I find it all very interesting being a history freak :D
They lasted for around two hundred years during the crusades before the remaining members were burned at the stake in the 14th century, not a nice way to go lol. They were some on the most skilled fighters of the time and the order itself was very wealthy, they built a lot of buildings around europe as well. People often confuse the Knights Templar and Knights Hospitaller as being one when in fact they were often fighting.
Pretty much everything I know I got off of this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar
and various documentaries I've come across :)
They got a lot of bad press, mostly because of the French king who wanted to steal all their money after extracting confessions under torture. He also prevented the Pope from defending them whilst blackmailing him to stay in French
Friday the 13th is bad because it was the date when the Kind ordered as many templars as possible to be arrested and executed. The boss of the Templars (also French) was finally burnt alive and his final words were that both the King and the Pope would be dead within a year - he was right :D
Prior to that they acted like most church orders - so good some bad. The one truth in all this is that they claimed to have the grail and were Bill Gates rich in their time.
Very interesting topic especially as know one seems to no where all the gold went - if you find it please remember me :D
Andy
Whoever does not know how to hit the nail on the head should be asked not to hit it at all.
Friedrich Nietzsche
Thanks lads! :D
if I recall one of the pythons...terry jones did a series/book on the crusades....should be of interest.
There were two programmes on SKY about the Knights a couple of weeks ago. if you have SKY keep an eye out (History channels) as these tend to get repeated.
Are you an Amesbury man Andy? :wink:
Lots of interest in them in the last few years as evidenced by
http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_...mplars&x=0&y=0
Much crappy stuff around but if you have a decent Waterstone's or similar nearby you should be able to find two or three Templar histories on the shelves.
Like most banking conglomerates, their reported value was not in their cash reserves, but in the value of what money was owed them.
Once Philip IV, destroyed the order to cancel his debt (and those of everyone else that owed the Templars money, he destroyed that wealth. There never was any room full of gold...
:shock:
i always thought the Holy grail was buried at Glastonburys Abbey and the large amounts of Templar gold coins buried at Templecombe? :wink:
Lysander,
Do you think the Templar Knights were trained at Temple a small hamlet near Bodmin moor?
Regs
Bry
I work for a printing/publishing company and we have published several books on the Knights Templar,
if you would like me to find out more about where and how you can get hold of copies of them just drop me a PM.
They still exist, believe me.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
Thanks Crusader :lol:
I'm not as think as you drunk I am.
Isn't Lloyds TSB Knights Templar?
Regs
Bry
Didn't they get to number three with 'Baby don't be ovulating' in the 70s?
Sorry Bry I don't know too much about the Knights Templar other than the fact they were involved in the whole defence of Outremer way back in C11th or so. There are plenty of sources you can check though. Things were a little difficult in the Middle East back then.
The Hospitallers are different - I'd recommend a journey to Malta, which was the centre of all things Hospitaller at one point. :)
All this grail stuff is myth isn't it? My knowledge of them is as said aboe about their demise and that they earned that wealth from protecting people on pilgrimages to the Holy land.
It's a Wetherspoons pub just off Holborn :blackeye:
Ever tried the Melton Mowbray pub just west of Sainsbury's Holburn Matt? ;)
Sir Walter Scott's Ivanhoe is my all-time favourite classic and I've read and re-read it with the same pleasure several times. Scott is somewhat liberal with historic facts and his chronology is a bit iffy, but the descriptions of life in a Saxon Thane's house and the antagonism between the Saxons and the Norman conquerers is tiptop.
The description of the jousts at Ashby de la Zouch is so clear and detailed you can almost smell the blood and horse manure.
And then there is Brian de Bois-Guilbert, the Knight Templar, the ultimate anti-hero. His hatred for the Jews is equalled only by his passionate, all-consuming, and unrequited, love for the beautiful Rebecca, daughter of Isaac of York.
There are few men I envy, but I am envious of anyone who still has the pleasure of reading Ivanhoe for the first time.
I was in a busy bar in glagow a few years ago talking to a mate and we were talking about Templars (a programme must have been on the night before because I'm not particulary intrested in them) anyway I got a tap on the shoulder and turned to see two very well dressed guys , very tall and very sober. one of them asked me what my intrest in the knights were and what did I think I new. he then informed me that I shoudnt talk of such things in public ect.I turned to look at my mate and I swear I looked back and they were gone.it was weird,I never felt threatened but have never been in any doubt that these. guys exist.I've mentioned it again now so I could be in soapy :lol:
I've read quite a few (fiction and non-fiction books) on the Knights Templar, and was delighted to recently discover this link: -
http://www.warwickshire.gov.uk/Web/corp ... 8C0050F483
We live at the foot of the Burton Dassett hills (where the church in the article is mentioned), next to the village supposedly hiding the Ark of the Covenant. Maybe I need to go exploring.... :lol:
A bit,there are several decent books out there on the subject.But in short,they were crusaders in the holy land who got rich by trading with the locals and then went on to found the worlds first international banking network.
This was done initially by letting crusaders deposit their loot from the pilgrimage in the order`s temple in Jerusalem,giving them the possibility to withdraw hard currency in the Templars strongholds and castles which were pretty much spread out all around central europe at the time.
Eventually they also did loans for most countries and heads of state in europe.This is often seen as the root to their downfall.
Not only did their economic power threaten the stability in many countries,scaring the shit out of Kings and religious leaders.
King Filip of France partly financed the french army and treasury with loans from the Templars,after a number of unsuccesful war campaigns had nearly bankrupted the country.
In agreement with the pope,King Filip ordered the Templars disbanded in 1314,a great number of brothers were killed and/or tortured to confess that the Templars were indeed conspiring against the state and also performing satanic rituals on a regular basis.
The Grand Master at the time,Jaques Molay was subsequently burned at the stake,after allegedly passing along the secrets of the Templars( the whereabout of the Holy Grail?) to a group of unknown brothers who then went underground..
This is seen as the start of the Freemasons and about a dousin similar groups,the mythos around Jaques Molay is a perfect analogy to the legend of the murder of Hiram,the architect behind the Holy Temple of Jerusalem,and is still today an important part of Freemasons learning and rituals.
Oh,and BTW,Dan Brown is ok for storytelling,but if you`re interested in facts I`d go for something a bit more serious. :wink:
Marius
I thought it was the Temple Mount in Jerusalem that they took their name from.
Probably learned about banking from the locals...
Not sure Lysander.
I must admit it is nice to see people still take an interest in this type of stuff. A lot of people I know just aren't bothered in history when I find it so interesting :)
It's just up the road from me but there are to many pubs inbetween so I never seem to make it that far :D
Or maybe your suggesting that's where the Gold is Bry................... Right then, I am off for a pint ! :mrgreen:
Hopefully i'm not missing sarcasm between you two, if so i'm sorry; but yes, they took their name from the Temple Mount, Jerusalem. And the Hospitallers took their name from a hospital built at the monastery of St John, Jerusalem (or something to that end) - Hospitaller Order of St John. The Hospitallers formed before the Templars, both for similar reasons (escorting/protecting pilgrims, although the Hospitallers also cared for the sick/wounded at their hospital), yet the Templars became more "successful" (if that is even the right word) with the church and so created a natural rivalry.
Such an interesting time in history, a shame it cut so deep and led to half the crap and hate that is still going on right now...
Yes, but fortunately they go to Church Fetes and Football matches and dish out elastoplast and aspirin, wearing black and white uniforms. :)
(Actually, I'm not being so flippant, the St. John's Ambulance Brigade is descended from the 16th century Knights Hospitalers of St. John of Jerusalem).
I don't think anyone has said it but aren't they also something to do with the Free Masons?
Matt,
I only know the pub as I use to deliver to 33 Fetter lane aka Sainsbury's HQ and know the market town Melton Mowbray close to Leicester.
Yup the GOLD is probably there or St Paul's Cathedral! :wink:
I live near to a town where they had an English HQ - Baldock. The local school is called Knights Templar and the CoE church, St Mary's, was theirs orginally. I believe the King gave them land there after they came back. By coincidence, the French side of my family had Templars in it and that bunch certainly seemed to get into Masonic activities later on. I've got documents from my great great grandfather showing him inducting/signing up Napoleon into some order of 33 degree. Often wondered if historians knew this for sure and whether the certificates might be historically and/or financially valuable. My g g grandfather was ex-communicated for not renouncing the order, or so family lore has it! (Maybe he shagged someone he shouldn't have or something else entirely). I should probably read up on this stuff at some point too.
Ordo ab chao, as they say.
[Edit: Just doing some web reading and another interesting factoid - part of my french family moved to Scotland in 14th century and this ties in with the following: "When the Knights Templars were arrested and tortured by the Inquisition in 1307, some theorize that a few Templars were able to escape. These Templars "on the run" found their way to Scotland and continued their rituals and goals through the founding of Freemasonry. These fugitive Templars used their secret modes of recognition and strict code to aid and protect each other." Gadzooks!]
Paul
Freemasons. :wink:
The history of Freemasonary and of the Knights Templar is intwined.
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
The French Knights were the real deal...see clip.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8yjN...eature=related
:shock:
Bry
you might find this of interest in your persuit:
http://www.templarhistory.com/
R
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
Im lucky that when im in the south of France,im within 15 minutes of Queribus chateau and Peyreperteuse,these chateaus amongst others in the area are entwined with the Templars history i believe,due to there Cathar links.They are beautiful beyond belief works of engineering art,but you can't forget the bloody history this area witnessed.I have added a couple of links for you Bry which might interest you :)
http://www.catharcastles.info/120716_peyrepertuse.htm
http://www.templarhistory.com/heretics.html
Danke Mr Thorpe! :)
This is a field that, like many others tends to be viewed with an almost exclusive anglosaxon perspective. I guess it is a prorrogative of those in charge.
Anyway, not everything ended and started in Scotland, and the "gold" might have been something else, and I bet knowledge was an important part.
Funny thing is that in books (the ones you can buy at Amazon) a lot of important stuff is ignored and I think thats for a reason.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_Christ_(Portugal)
Apparently my Brother in Law is one. He is an active Mason, and has also joined the Knights Templar.
My sister says the funniest thing she has ever seen was when he put on the full regalia (including the fez) and appeared at the top of the stairs.
She says the furthest he is likely to get on a crusade is the village pub.
So clever my foot fell off.
Banana - that's a joke right or irony (which I don't get and you are supposed to post in a differnent font). :D
There's an excellent piece of fiction called 'The Religion', by Tim Willocks, here. It's set in and around the siege of Malta in 1565, and concerns the Knights of Saint John. Not quite Templars, but well worth a read.
No joke. Absolutely 100% serious.
You can join them, a bit like the Ancient Order of Water Buffalo or other such nonsense.
So clever my foot fell off.
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