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    Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Just got sucked into another documentary (TV is great isn't it :lol: )

    Apparently Josef Mengele (Sp?) wore a Seiko......

    Now I know the weaker amongst us get affected by such things ie not liking a watch/brand because footballers sport them.

    Will there be a glut on SC now or is this the reason you bought one? :lol:
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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    I heard that Saddam wore a Sub ND on one of Eddie's black NATOs :D :D

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by notenoughwrists
    I heard that Saddam wore a Sub ND on one of Eddie's black NATOs :D :D




    Here is one shown among other personal posessions:


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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by notenoughwrists
    I heard that Saddam wore a Sub ND on one of Eddie's black NATOs :D :D
    In close up...

    [attachment=0:hhn4eh23]sad.jpg[/attachment:hhn4eh23]
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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by dkpw
    Quote Originally Posted by notenoughwrists
    I heard that Saddam wore a Sub ND on one of Eddie's black NATOs :D :D
    In close up...

    [attachment=0:1enj6ggx]sad.jpg[/attachment:1enj6ggx]

    And who knocks Audemars for their L.E.s ? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    [quote="Scottishtrunkmonkey"]Just got sucked into another documentary (TV is great isn't it :lol: )

    Apparently Josef Mengele (Sp?) wore a Seiko......

    Hugo Boss, also designed the black WaffenSS uniform, but I'm not selling mine. :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scottishtrunkmonkey
    Apparently Josef Mengele (Sp?) wore a Seiko......

    Now I know the weaker amongst us get affected by such things ie not liking a watch/brand because footballers sport them.
    What did the Japanese soldiers wear when they tortured British troops?

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    http://www.shoppingnewclothes.com/presi ... rolex.html

    The text is translated by the random english words generator scrapped by a japanese marketing bureau.
    It first went to Ken Sato Trading and since he was Omepanro-ed it has been recycled as a blog editor.

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    A most amusing story about watch politics is the history of the 3646.
    Not only was it fished up with the italian maiale d(r)ivers, there also is footage of the Kampfschwimmer action to blow up a Nijmegen bridge, yes of ´one too far´, cléarly wearing one.

    Obviously a watch is just an inate object.

    The Home Office was só not amused by the sales procedure however which ís followed by people, that it had a batch of dedicated sterling silver tool made for the Chroriot d(r)ivers instead of buying/using the tested, tried and proven 3646...

    A watch is an inate object to which a marketed brand image attached to it in order to sell that brand. That image is perception and the differences in how it is perceived are HÚGE. You like the image, you buy the watch. You don´t, well, then not.
    Ok, now... where did I leave my Poljot Sturmanski Gagarin replica with alarm .....?

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by captainhowdy
    Hugo Boss, also designed the black WaffenSS uniform, but I'm not selling mine. :D
    What watch do you wear with the black Waffen SS uniform then? :mrgreen:

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by dkpw
    Quote Originally Posted by notenoughwrists
    I heard that Saddam wore a Sub ND on one of Eddie's black NATOs :D :D
    In close up...


    He may have been a very bad man, but at least he had good taste.

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla
    Obviously a watch is just an inate object.

    ...?
    Inate
    Inborn, inherited; existing or determined by factors present from birth; congenital.
    Presumably you meant inanimate? :lol:
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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by vaizki
    Quote Originally Posted by captainhowdy
    Hugo Boss, also designed the black WaffenSS uniform, but I'm not selling mine. :D
    What watch do you wear with the black Waffen SS uniform then? :mrgreen:
    Something from the Hello Kitty range :D

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by vaizki
    Quote Originally Posted by captainhowdy
    Hugo Boss, also designed the black WaffenSS uniform, but I'm not selling mine. :D
    What watch do you wear with the black Waffen SS uniform then? :mrgreen:

    A Beobachtungsuhr Fur Die, made in 1940 by Lange - a 65mm observation watch:


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    Quote Originally Posted by vaizki
    Quote Originally Posted by captainhowdy
    Hugo Boss, also designed the black WaffenSS uniform, but I'm not selling mine. :D
    What watch do you wear with the black Waffen SS uniform then? :mrgreen:


    When it's 6.05, he exclaims, "Heil, Hitler!"

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    Omega bases its marketing on the fact that one of its "ambassadors" is the world's most famous serial killer.
    If Mengeler wore a Seiko, it was post WW2, I expect. He may also have worn black shoes.

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by shadowninja
    Quote Originally Posted by vaizki
    Quote Originally Posted by captainhowdy
    Hugo Boss, also designed the black WaffenSS uniform, but I'm not selling mine. :D
    What watch do you wear with the black Waffen SS uniform then? :mrgreen:


    When it's 6.05, he exclaims, "Heil, Hitler!"

    Don't knock it, I only borrowed it for a fancy dress party, from Prince Harry. :lol: :D

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by Scottishtrunkmonkey
    Just got sucked into another documentary (TV is great isn't it :lol: )

    Apparently Josef Mengele (Sp?) wore a Seiko......

    Now I know the weaker amongst us get affected by such things ie not liking a watch/brand because footballers sport them.

    Will there be a glut on SC now or is this the reason you bought one? :lol:
    :lol: :lol:

    Do you know which watch Hermann Goering was wearing during the war?
    I could start a WWII baddy collection :D

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by Lomax99


    A Beobachtungsuhr Fur Die, made in 1940 by Lange - a 65mm observation watch:

    Is that real?

    Why are the minute numerals mirror image?

    Why would it be marked SS? They didn't have any aircraft.
    Cheers,
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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by shadowninja
    Quote Originally Posted by Scottishtrunkmonkey
    Apparently Josef Mengele (Sp?) wore a Seiko......

    Now I know the weaker amongst us get affected by such things ie not liking a watch/brand because footballers sport them.
    What did the Japanese soldiers wear when they tortured British troops?
    I think many people felt the same TBH and wouldn't touch Jap products after their appalling war record.

    Understandable if you had been involved.
    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C
    Quote Originally Posted by Lomax99


    A Beobachtungsuhr Fur Die, made in 1940 by Lange - a 65mm observation watch:

    Is that real?

    Why are the minute numerals mirror image?

    Why would it be marked SS? They didn't have any aircraft.
    My thoughts as well. Looks like a fake, but why would you put the numbers like that, in mirror image? :?

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by angeche
    My thoughts as well. Looks like a fake, but why would you put the numbers like that, in mirror image? :?
    Because it is NOT a B-uhr but a time piece that was placed in field measuring equipment as to have the time on the foto´s.

    It was not meant to be worn and was kept is a special case.
    The use and way of storage are documented on film.
    A bit of an enigma why they made in as a wristwatch.

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla
    Quote Originally Posted by angeche
    My thoughts as well. Looks like a fake, but why would you put the numbers like that, in mirror image? :?
    Because it is NOT a B-uhr but a time piece that was placed in field measuring equipment as to have the time on the foto´s.
    Never to old to learn :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daddelvirks
    Never to old to learn :)
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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla
    Quote Originally Posted by angeche
    My thoughts as well. Looks like a fake, but why would you put the numbers like that, in mirror image? :?
    Because it is NOT a B-uhr but a time piece that was placed in field measuring equipment as to have the time on the foto´s.

    It was not meant to be worn and was kept is a special case.
    The use and way of storage are documented on film.
    A bit of an enigma why they made in as a wristwatch.
    That's some good info, thanks. :)

    Still not sure about the W-SS on the dial though.

    May have been done to push up the price? :twisted:
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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by angeche
    My thoughts as well. Looks like a fake, but why would you put the numbers like that, in mirror image? :?
    There are several homages of this design. All quite a lot smaller, some half mirrored only.
    The Aristo ´sextant´ is one.

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C

    Still not sure about the W-SS on the dial though.

    May have been done to push up the price? :twisted:
    Price?
    They were not for sale but special order only for ....... Waffen SS :idea:

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Isn't Goering supposed to have owned a Reverso?

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    Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla
    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C

    Still not sure about the W-SS on the dial though.

    May have been done to push up the price? :twisted:
    Price?
    They were not for sale but special order only for ....... Waffen SS :idea:
    So the army never used them then?

    I only mentioned it as anything with SS markings is worth far more and people are not averse to "altering" stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne
    Isn't Goering supposed to have owned a Reverso?

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    Don't know about fatty, but they were standard issue to Italian tank drivers.

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Saw Hitler on History channel the other night and he checked a pocket watch he had in his top pocket on a chain to his lapel.

    Wonder what it was?
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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C
    Saw Hitler on History channel the other night and he checked a pocket watch he had in his top pocket on a chain to his lapel.

    Wonder what it was?
    Didn't he wear a Ball

    I believe it was the only watch he owned, they even wrote a song about it.






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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    It was definitely a one off!

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


    This thread has interestingly turned into "watches of the axis leaders" :lol:
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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    [quote=Neil.C][quote=Huertecilla][quote="Neil.C":r46am6o3]

    Still not sure about the W-SS on the dial though.

    May have been done to push up the price? :twisted:[/quote]

    Price?
    They were not for sale but special order only for ....... Waffen SS :idea:[/quote]

    So the army never used them then?

    I only mentioned it as anything with SS markings is worth [b]far [/b] more and people are not averse to "altering" stuff.[/quote:r46am6o3]


    If it's wrong, then it's down to the german author, Henning Mutzlitz, of the book he has just published - 'A. Lange & Sohne Highlights'

    [url="http://www.amazon.com/Lange-Sohne-Highlights/dp/386852231X"]http://www.amazon.com/Lange-Sohne-Highl ... 386852231X[/url]

    It's shown on page 21, with an estimated value of 25,000 euros.

    An A. Lange & Sohne watch is definately on my list, however I have no intention of tracking down one of these!

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C
    So the army never used them then?

    I do not understand that question. Waffen SS was just a special units force.

    [quote:1g8j31vw]
    I only mentioned it as anything with SS markings is worth far more and people are not averse to "altering" stuff.
    [/quote:1g8j31vw]

    That is outside of my world I am happy to observe.

    The watch in question is original, extremely rare, and the far smaller ´homages´ definitely NOT marked with anything third Reich.

    I do wonder though why the antipathy against the japanese and at the same time a massive popularity of B-uhr at al? even soviet stuff!!
    Xenophobia :idea:
    To me they are watches. Inate contemporary artefacts. Just like archeology whereas history is a collection of highly subjective accounts of hidden agendas by a non representative part of the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla

    I do wonder though why the antipathy against the japanese and at the same time a massive popularity of B-uhr at al? even soviet stuff!!
    Xenophobia :idea:
    To me they are watches. Inate contemporary artefacts. Just like archeology whereas history is a collection of highly subjective accounts of hidden agendas by a non representative part of the population.
    Watches carry history with them whatever one thinks, which is why military issued watches are so sought after.

    As regards the Japanese, far from xenophobia any cursory examination of the abominations they committed against helpless POWS will surely sicken any right thinking person and in the years following WWII there was indeed great antipathy to them and fully understandable IMO.

    The Germans although guilty of atrocities generally treated allied POWS reasonably.

    We never fought the Russians.
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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C
    Quote Originally Posted by Lomax99


    A Beobachtungsuhr Fur Die, made in 1940 by Lange - a 65mm observation watch:

    Is that real?

    Why are the minute numerals mirror image?

    Why would it be marked SS? They didn't have any aircraft.
    Observers wristwatches pre-1945 or so, often had the #s and markers reversed because they were seen in a mirror on a sighting device and thus the #s were seen as correct when the watch was used for its intended purpose.

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by shadowninja
    Quote Originally Posted by Scottishtrunkmonkey
    Apparently Josef Mengele (Sp?) wore a Seiko......

    Now I know the weaker amongst us get affected by such things ie not liking a watch/brand because footballers sport them.
    What did the Japanese soldiers wear when they tortured British troops?
    I did six years voluntary ex-service welfare work after leaving the army and had the honour to meet and work with quite a few FEPOW's and many of them would not buy anything made by the Japanese. All of the ones I knew had been captured at the fall of Singapore, after fighting the length of Malaya and spent most of their captivity in KINKASEKI Copper Mine in Taiwan.

    If you get the chance read the books Banzai, You Bastards! by Jack Edwards and Out Of The Depths Of Hell which was written by my former next door neighbour John McEawn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by captainhowdy
    Quote Originally Posted by shadowninja
    Quote Originally Posted by vaizki
    Quote Originally Posted by captainhowdy
    Hugo Boss, also designed the black WaffenSS uniform, but I'm not selling mine. :D
    What watch do you wear with the black Waffen SS uniform then? :mrgreen:


    When it's 6.05, he exclaims, "Heil, Hitler!"

    Don't knock it, I only borrowed it for a fancy dress party, from Prince Harry. :lol: :D
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C
    We never fought the Russians.
    You should see what happens in some of the dive centres I've been in. :blackeye:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huertecilla
    Quote Originally Posted by "Neil.C":2drmly4h

    Still not sure about the W-SS on the dial though.

    May have been done to push up the price? :twisted:
    Price?
    They were not for sale but special order only for ....... Waffen SS :idea:
    So the army never used them then?

    I only mentioned it as anything with SS markings is worth far more and people are not averse to "altering" stuff.[/quote:2drmly4h]

    Don`t confuse the Waffen SS with Hitlers elite. The Waffen SS expanded through the war to include many conscripts from countries only too willing to fight the Russians after suffering at their hands during occupation. Towards the end of the war the Waffen SS consisted of more non Germans than Germans !

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    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne
    Isn't Goering supposed to have owned a Reverso?

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    I’ve put some stuff on one of Goering’s watches here:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C
    Saw Hitler on History channel the other night and he checked a pocket watch he had in his top pocket on a chain to his lapel.

    Wonder what it was?
    If it’s the same scene I am thinking of … it’s not a pocket watch but a wristwatch on a strap. He didn’t like wearing wristwatches so he kept his in the top left pocket of his jacket. I believe somebody said it was a Junghans but I can find no references to it.



    "In 1940 the Waffen-SS ordered Lange, to develop an observation watch with a large diameter of the dial and for photographic purposes with additional mirrored indication. The supply should be 10 watches per month starting in March 1941. Watch no. 215819 send on 20.12.1943 to the SS Artillery School in Glau." (From Knirim.)

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    Costume jewellery. Ouch!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maris
    Don`t confuse the Waffen SS with Hitlers elite. The Waffen SS expanded through the war to include many conscripts from countries only too willing to fight the Russians after suffering at their hands during occupation. Towards the end of the war the Waffen SS consisted of more non Germans than Germans !
    Indeed. My grandfathers brother was one of them I've understood (no, they were not nazis either). He survived but nearly 1000 of 1200 were killed, wounded or lost: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finnish_Vo ... _Waffen-SS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C
    Saw Hitler on History channel the other night and he checked a pocket watch he had in his top pocket on a chain to his lapel.

    Wonder what it was?
    If it’s the same scene I am thinking of … it’s not a pocket watch but a wristwatch on a strap. He didn’t like wearing wristwatches so he kept his in the top left pocket of his jacket. I believe somebody said it was a Junghans but I can find no references to it.



    "In 1940 the Waffen-SS ordered Lange, to develop an observation watch with a large diameter of the dial and for photographic purposes with additional mirrored indication. The supply should be 10 watches per month starting in March 1941. Watch no. 215819 send on 20.12.1943 to the SS Artillery School in Glau." (From Knirim.)

    john
    Good work John, very interesting, nice to see a pic.

    So Hitlers watch remains a mystery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maris

    Don`t confuse the Waffen SS with Hitlers elite. The Waffen SS expanded through the war to include many conscripts from countries only too willing to fight the Russians after suffering at their hands during occupation. Towards the end of the war the Waffen SS consisted of more non Germans than Germans !
    This is well known.

    Apart from people who had suffered under the Russians like the Finns there was a very healthy intake of Europeans, Danes, French etc who simply believed in the aryan ideals.
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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maris

    Don`t confuse the Waffen SS with Hitlers elite. The Waffen SS expanded through the war to include many conscripts from countries only too willing to fight the Russians after suffering at their hands during occupation. Towards the end of the war the Waffen SS consisted of more non Germans than Germans !
    This is well known.

    Apart from people who had suffered under the Russians like the Finns there was a very healthy intake of Europeans, Danes, French etc who simply believed in the aryan ideals.
    Don't forget the Brits! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Free_Corps

    Hitler's elite was part of the Waffen-SS, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1st_SS_Div ... olf_Hitler

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by Gunscrossed
    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C
    Quote Originally Posted by Maris

    Don`t confuse the Waffen SS with Hitlers elite. The Waffen SS expanded through the war to include many conscripts from countries only too willing to fight the Russians after suffering at their hands during occupation. Towards the end of the war the Waffen SS consisted of more non Germans than Germans !
    This is well known.

    Apart from people who had suffered under the Russians like the Finns there was a very healthy intake of Europeans, Danes, French etc who simply believed in the aryan ideals.
    Don't forget the Brits! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Free_Corps
    Yeah I read about that recently. Only a very tiny amount joined from POW camps, some probably just to get out.

    Amery the ringleader was hung.
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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne
    Isn't Goering supposed to have owned a Reverso?

    Eddie
    That''s not very macho, is it? :)

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    Re: Always had my doubts about Seiko wearers

    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C
    ..........

    So Hitlers watch remains a mystery.



    On a serious note:


    Before, his death, it is said that Hitler gave to Goebbels his own wrist watch ...

    Joseph Goebbels "The Poison Dwarf"
    http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... bbels.html
    Again on a separate note ... how to use a watch to intimidate:

    Goebbels would sit in the Editor’s chair. He would habitually take off his wrist watch and place it on the desk in front of him, saying that he could only spare seven or eight minutes ...

    Mugabe's own Goebbels
    http://www.zimbabwesituation.com/sep1a_2004.html#link5
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