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    Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    I just stumbled across this today on my day off, consider it a heads up...or maybe a heads down

    It costs 5.49....

    http://watchmakingblog.com/2010/07/11/m ... ur-iphone/

    Ibby

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    Cool product, nice find. Now I need an iPhone :drunken:

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Now I do like the idea of that, but is it really any good ?

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    How cool is that? I'm downloading it now to try it out.

    If it works I guess that's the smartphone wars on here silenced until the lesser platforms catch-up. :lol:

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    Well.... Is it worth the £5.49, even with iOS4 it should be downloaded and installed by now! :wink:

    I know I'm an impatient git! :D

    Will it install over 3G or does it ask for wifi?

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    What a clever idea! Must resist :lol:

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by abooth2909
    Well.... Is it worth the £5.49, even with iOS4 it should be downloaded and installed by now! :wink:

    I know I'm an impatient git! :D

    Will it install over 3G or does it ask for wifi?

    Cheers

    Andy

    Its only 400kb so its good for over 3g, just waiting to hear back from seamaster73 for his verdict.

    just for the innovative thinking of putting an app like this together is worth the 5.49!

    Ibby

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    It sounds like an incredible app as watches and my Iphone are two of my favourite things and now they can interact with one another but with no reviews yet Im going to wait before installing it.

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Love the idea of this, bit of a punt at £5.49 though!! Will see what others thing first ;)

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    I just check mine against the Emerald Time app for free. :)
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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by magirus
    I just check mine against the Emerald Time app for free. :)
    Thread Fail - try reading it!!

    This is about TIMING your watch, as in if it's running fast/slow etc.

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Disappointingly, I must dampen all this enthusiasm.

    I tested the app with a Rolex and a Smiths, and three different iPhone microphones, and couldn't get it to work in any combination. Neither watch seems to tick loud enough for the app to get a fix, either that or the app or mic isn't sensitive enough — either way, the signal strength meter barely budged. Needless to say, the results were therefore way off although the app did usually detect the beat rate of both movements correctly.

    Save your fivers, gentlemen. Great idea for an app, but it simply doesn't work in this version. I'll report back if subsequent updates improve it.

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    Definitely a waste of a fiver - should have listened to the post above!

    The app can hardly pick up any sound at all

    I like the idea, but not too impressed with the execution

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    The comments on that page aren't very complimentary either.

    What about an app where you enter the time your watch says and over the course of a day, week, month, whatever, the app reports back as to its accuracy. Does that exist?
    "I forget who it was that recommended men for their soul's good to do each day two things they disliked ... it is a precept that I have followed scrupulously; for every day I have got up and I have gone to bed."

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcbull
    The comments on that page aren't very complimentary either.

    What about an app where you enter the time your watch says and over the course of a day, week, month, whatever, the app reports back as to its accuracy. Does that exist?
    It's called Pages, a spreadsheet developed by Apple :)

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Lee
    It's called Pages, a spreadsheet developed by Apple :)
    That'd be Numbers. 8)

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    I've not tried the application, but I think it might work better with a good watch microphone. Unfortunately, they are expensive. I think mine (used/refurbished) was about £180 all in.

    Best wishes,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seamaster73
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Lee
    It's called Pages, a spreadsheet developed by Apple :)
    That'd be Numbers. 8)
    Doh!

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by rfrazier
    I've not tried the application, but I think it might work better with a good watch microphone. Unfortunately, they are expensive. I think mine (used/refurbished) was about £180 all in.
    Brand fixation aside I'm really not sure why anyone thought this would work. The cheap narrowband voice microphone inside an Iphone probably cost all of 5p.
    ...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Anyone trid this with the back of the watch removed?

    May get better results.
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    [quote=Phil Lee]
    Quote Originally Posted by Seamaster73
    Quote Originally Posted by "Phil Lee":3vgqxp1q
    It's called Pages, a spreadsheet developed by Apple :)
    That'd be Numbers. 8)
    Doh![/quote:3vgqxp1q]

    Either way, I don't think that's available on the iphone and it would involve more work on my part than just entering what time my watch says it is.

    Of course I don't need to do any of this, I know it loses about ten seconds a day.
    "I forget who it was that recommended men for their soul's good to do each day two things they disliked ... it is a precept that I have followed scrupulously; for every day I have got up and I have gone to bed."

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    Cool!!!! is there a version for Blackberries? :P

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by Seamaster73
    Disappointingly, I must dampen all this enthusiasm.

    I tested the app with a Rolex and a Smiths, and three different iPhone microphones, and couldn't get it to work in any combination. Neither watch seems to tick loud enough for the app to get a fix, either that or the app or mic isn't sensitive enough — either way, the signal strength meter barely budged. Needless to say, the results were therefore way off although the app did usually detect the beat rate of both movements correctly.

    Save your fivers, gentlemen. Great idea for an app, but it simply doesn't work in this version. I'll report back if subsequent updates improve it.
    Thanks for trying it and reporting back. It's a shame its not up to scratch. That would've been a really cool app.

    regards,
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    Yes that's too bad, what were these external mics you used? I think Belkin makes one that plugs into the main port.

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonmurgie
    Quote Originally Posted by magirus
    I just check mine against the Emerald Time app for free. :)
    Thread Fail - try reading it!!

    This is about TIMING your watch, as in if it's running fast/slow etc.
    OK.

    1.Please don't SHOUT.
    2.I did read it.
    3. I zero a watch to Emerald, and 24 hrs later I know just how fast or slow it runs, and I still have my £5.49, doh.
    :roll: :wink:
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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Why would you want to do this?
    When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    So you can adjust it to make it more accurate.
    Without a device to measure it's accuracy it takes much longer as you have to make an adjustment then wait for a period of time to determine the effect of that adjustment etc. etc.

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    And I thought that every mobile phone came with this built in. :)



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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Seamaster73/Ibby,

    How about trying it in a biscuit tin set up of some other form of acoustic magnification?

    How successful was it in picking up the beat? This is something I want to do on a monobloc cased watch, so will it work for me for this purpose alone?

    Are there any better microphones out there, not the GBP 180.00 that Bob's talking about, but something more affordable?

    Thanks,

    Terry

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    I'm using the Emerald Internet Time 'app' as well, it's quite good, on my iPod Touch; not sure if the above program will work though as the iPod doesn't have a microphone.
    It's quite funny to see people who may well have spent several £k on a watch/several watches/lots of watches feel unwilling to spend a fiver on a program to check/adjust their accuracy. I'd put myself in this category too, though. :D

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    Oops, seems I'm wrong and it does. Or rather it would, but the man who produced the app has pulled it because of the "tidal wave of feedback" he's had (probably people saying it doesn't work).

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    Yep, so much for the infamous iTunes quality control, I guess they don't have mechanical watches over there ;-)

    In light of the tidal wave of feedback I’ve received in the less than 24 hours since Kello went live on the App Store, I realize that I babied the app too much in testing and that it’s not quite ready for full public consumption. Due to the large number of people who have had trouble getting Kello to work successfully, I’ve decided to pull the app from the store and head back to the drawing board to focus on making the it easier for the end user to derive reliable results without having to toy with microphone positioning or eliminating ambient noise.

    If you were an early adopter and are interested in beta testing the pre-release updates as they become available, please touch base with me

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Let's give the guy a break here. Here's done the right thing pulling it pending further development. I've given him my UDID and offered to help.

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by magirus
    Quote Originally Posted by Jonmurgie
    Quote Originally Posted by magirus
    I just check mine against the Emerald Time app for free. :)
    Thread Fail - try reading it!!

    This is about TIMING your watch, as in if it's running fast/slow etc.
    OK.

    1.Please don't SHOUT.
    2.I did read it.
    3. I zero a watch to Emerald, and 24 hrs later I know just how fast or slow it runs, and I still have my £5.49, doh.
    :roll: :wink:
    1. Wasn't shouting, simply highlighting. I shall use bold instead to avoid offence :)
    2. Oh, didn't sound like you had!
    3. Likewise, although I use http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/ myself.


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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by Seamaster73
    Let's give the guy a break here. Here's done the right thing pulling it pending further development. I've given him my UDID and offered to help.
    He/Apple still has your money though... I assume they have no way of issuing a refund?

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Have to admit, I`d like a watch timing machine, or something that would do the job fixeed up to my computer. Having used one at the BHI I realise how useful they are for determining what a watch is really doing....although it can be a bit depressing when your 'newly serviced' watch isn`t cutting the mustard.

    As I`m now starting to do lots more watch work I really could use one; is there anything out there worth buying? I`ve seen some on ebay for around £500 and some at around £200. The real McCoy professional ones are around £2K.

    As for checking whether your mechanical watch is working reasonably OK, just check it over 3-4 days against the clock displayed on here.

    Paul

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonmurgie
    Quote Originally Posted by Seamaster73
    Let's give the guy a break here. Here's done the right thing pulling it pending further development. I've given him my UDID and offered to help.
    He/Apple still has your money though... I assume they have no way of issuing a refund?
    Yes, Apple have refunded me.

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    Ah, that's good then. I'd like to see the thing work properly in the future :)

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by walkerwek1958
    Have to admit, I`d like a watch timing machine, or something that would do the job fixeed up to my computer. Having used one at the BHI I realise how useful they are for determining what a watch is really doing....although it can be a bit depressing when your 'newly serviced' watch isn`t cutting the mustard.

    As I`m now starting to do lots more watch work I really could use one; is there anything out there worth buying? I`ve seen some on ebay for around £500 and some at around £200. The real McCoy professional ones are around £2K.

    As for checking whether your mechanical watch is working reasonably OK, just check it over 3-4 days against the clock displayed on here.

    Paul
    What timing machine did you use on the BHI course?
    I'm probably in a similar position to you, but self-taught (coming from 15 years experience with clocks) rather than doing a BHI course. The Witschi timers, at £2k, are far too much for me. I'm probably going to buy a Microset Pro for £700 plus tax, including extra sensors for use with clocks. Their timers start at around £200 shipped. The Pro model can be used standalone, or controlled from a PC, and seems to do everything that a Witschi can.

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Has anyone had a go with this app on an Ipad?

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Ahemm.....

    Guys? The app has been re-released, you can find it in the Apps store.

    Id suggest you sit back and wait for it to settle before making a purchase.

    I just thought I'd make it known that it's released.

    Ibby

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    I've been on the beta testing programme and followed it through three reiterations. I still can't get it to work, although I haven't tried the most recent version yet.

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by Seamaster73
    I've been on the beta testing programme and followed it through three reiterations. I still can't get it to work, although I haven't tried the most recent version yet.
    The components in a watch microphone are finely balanced, full-range devices with a high degree of sensitivity. The microphone in an Apple is a lowest-bidder, 10p piece of just-about-sufficient plastic. But if you think it'll work, go for it ;).
    ...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Seamaster , when did you stop the beta testing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew
    Quote Originally Posted by Seamaster73
    I've been on the beta testing programme and followed it through three reiterations. I still can't get it to work, although I haven't tried the most recent version yet.
    The components in a watch microphone are finely balanced, full-range devices with a high degree of sensitivity. The microphone in an Apple is a lowest-bidder, 10p piece of just-about-sufficient plastic. But if you think it'll work, go for it ;).
    In his latest email to testers, the developer recommends "forgoing the traditional headset microphone and building or procuring a piezo-electric contact input for your iPhone or iTouch like this one".

    Quote Originally Posted by ibby7
    Seamaster , when did you stop the beta testing?
    I'm still at it — prompted by this thread, I've just had another go with the latest version (2.13). Still no joy with any watch I've tried, I'm afraid. Andrew's right, the issue isn't the app itself, but the sensitivity of the input. Unless you've access to a more suitable microphone/contact input, it's a non-starter.

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    I've been beta testing this too and was amazed to see it back on the app store.
    I've never been able to get any reading whatsoever with any version and I've tried numerous watches.
    I can only imagine there are going to be a lot of disappointed customers asking for refunds.

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    Would one of the stereo mics for iPhone/iPod do the job?

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    Quote Originally Posted by webvan
    Would one of the stereo mics for iPhone/iPod do the job?

    Dont try it until its 100% sure it works, its not cheap either.

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    Not sure since when but the app is back on the Appstore : http://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/kello/id380539253?mt=8# at $9.

    Version 2.3 it seems, anyone using it?

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    Re: Measure the Precision of Mechanical Watches using iPhone

    I received an email from the developer ( Jon ) in regards to the new release.

    When I get a chance il download it and try it out. It's supposed to be more accurate. Il keep you all updated

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