Reply With Quotereassuring to know the chap will include a nato with it.
Looks a right bargain, although even i can spot a few dodgy things about it :lol:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rolex-5513-Milita ... 500wt_1154
reassuring to know the chap will include a nato with it.
Good luck everybody. Have a good one.
Nah i don't want one there as common as muck. :mrgreen:
:wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:Originally Posted by the big fella
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Who's turn is to go out and check this one out :drunken:
Now that is a load of....
:lol:
Thanks for the in depth view Mike :lol: .
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
:blob6: :salute:
There's not even the slightest glimmer of hope for this eBay offering...
Put away the polish.
You can save yourself the journey this time Mike, although the South African Special Forces thing sounds fantastic :D
These things are getting like buses, one never shows up for ages, then two come along at the same time.
The seller looks to be a Peppa Pig fan, mmmm, maybe he's up for a trade..........
If you google the sellers name and look it up in the urban dictionary it means the following:
1. a term used in arrogance with dissmissive intentions. or to express disliking to someone
2. a popular sexual position in texas involving a man, his sister and his pet dog
:shock:
:lol: :drunken:
Yeah, the NATO would swing it for me.
Do people like that ever get scammed themselves?
Yes, this seller only recently bought the watch himself but is hoping to make a modest £1500 profit! :lol: :lol: :lol:
“Don’t look back, you’re not heading that way.”
Was this one of you chaps?Q: Hi Can you tell me a little but more about the watch, before bidding Id like to know the following: Whats the history of the watch? How did you come to own it? You say its South Afican issued, can you prove this? (additional provenance is always much sought after) What are the case back markings? Thanks 02-Aug-10
A: Hi, the watch came into our ownership through a family friend who is south african who mentioned he had a certain black sub that was done for the south african special forces, luckily for us, he was persuaded to part with it. We have had it since 1972. As for the watch being what i say, well it was army issue so i doubt it came with papers and it was never on sale so finding out info is quite difficult, but please do your own research if you like. The case back is plain. Additional pics are available if needs be, what i will say is if you are a collector of anything then you will want something that is very rare and makes people take notice and this watch certainly comes under that category.
Yes a £20k lump of poo on your wrist would without question be a bit of a head turner :roll:
I also asked for the details on the caseback after I spoke to an ex-South African Recce. He doesn't recall any of their operators being issued with watches, let alone a Rolex.
He did find it rather amusing though.
That was my question, thought it'd be amusing to see what the answers would be. I shan't be bidding :)
sorry for being the class thicko but i know everyone's saying that it's a steaming pile but could someone please tell me what gives it away as i have no idea whatsoever about these milsubs.is it that obvious :?
cheers,mick
I believe the watch actually exists in very low numbers, this is not one of them however.I also asked for the details on the caseback after I spoke to an ex-South African Recce. He doesn't recall any of their operators being issued with watches, let alone a Rolex.
He did find it rather amusing though.
C.
That's interesting. I knew some of the SAAF pilots were issued Roamers and Lemanias but I'd always understood the Navy and Army folk weren't issued any watches, including the specialist units as the seller here is inferring. I've asked a SADF militaria expert what he things and will see what he comes back with.
Assuming it was the real deal, how much do you estimate something like this would go for? I know Mike Wood said £65-75k for the other MilSub in the other thread but I'm just wondering if this would have the same attraction or interest.
I'm sorry I just don't know.That's interesting. I knew some of the SAAF pilots were issued Roamers and Lemanias but I'd always understood the Navy and Army folk weren't issued any watches, including the specialist units as the seller here is inferring. I've asked a SADF militaria expert what he things and will see what he comes back with.
Assuming it was the real deal, how much do you estimate something like this would go for? I know Mike Wood said £65-75k for the other MilSub in the other thread but I'm just wondering if this would have the same attraction or interest.
I'm sure the experts will give an opinion.
C.
Courtesy of http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=2445
Rolex military deliveries
the correct approach with these "hidden" deliveries in mho is :
a) we must expect to see from time to time watches never seen
before ( in other words < never say never > , as it's nearly
impossible to make a complete "map" of all military deliveries
made from the '50 to now ;
b) when we see for the first time a watch we must check not only
the genuinity of his parts ( case-dial-movement-back.... ), but
ALSO THE CONSISTANCE of the parts , that must match together ;
for example : dial and movement of the same period of the case
and correct for the reference...., inside of the back unpolished
and so on .
c) the other problem is that the military markings were sometimes
made by the factory ( Perù-Chile...... ) and sometimes directly
by the military authority ( UK , Australia .... ).
It's possible that some watches were sold "for military purpose"
to other countries ( for example US ), but for what I have seen
untill now "with my eyes" ( and 100 % genuine in mho ) we have :
1) 6538 sold to Commonwealth ( UK , Australia )with non-Rolex
military engravings , and also to Spain ( I have seen one with
an old written confirmation from Geneva );
2) 5508 sold to the French navy ( without military markings )
3) 5513 "desert sub" with teflon coating ( South African special
forces ) in the '70 , obviously no mil. markings )
4) 1680/6238/6239/6241/6263/6265 for Perù ( markings made at the
factory ) from 1962 to around early '80 ;
5) 5513 for Chile ( as above);
6) 5513/7 for Royal Navy ( markings made by the Admirality ) ;
7) 1665 given ( as a gift ) to the british SAS from the Oman in
the '70 ( only a special dial , but no mil.markings ).
we must however be very careful as there are a lot of fakes in
the market ( like the 1690 "US Marine" or dr 1665 made for the
German Navy...... ).
well someone has bid on it!!
Thanks for the link GraniteQuarry - very enlightening.
I guess you really have to intimately know the subject field if you're going to bid on something like this.
I can't find the link, but there's a jeweler in London (?) who has a sizable collection of vintage Rolex' and photos of many of them on view. I don't recall seeing a PVD'd model from the 1970s, but recall the 5513 made for the RN (5517 IIRC) which has minute markings all way round. Granted they made more for others....
According to that other thread, they were supplied on NATO bands, so I suppose his offer of one is "authentic." (Where's the original, though?)
For those scratching their heads, the auction offers several red flags.
- Lack of macro pics[/*:m:3d9o8iig]
- Minute hand blocking relevant dial markings[/*:m:3d9o8iig]
- No shots of caseback, inside caseback, and movement ... bare minimum illustrations on a £2000 auction, let alone £20,000![/*:m:3d9o8iig]
- No provenance or third party authentication offered ... yeah, right, "tell me another story..."[/*:m:3d9o8iig]
- The classic ... why offer such a rare and desirable item on Fleabay, when a reputable auction house might fetch you far, far more net profit[/*:m:3d9o8iig]
Have I hit the basics, folks?
Point is the dial should not have any military markings, I believe they were plain...plain caseback too.
C.
I thought I saw a (T) peeking out... wouldnt they have the Tritium marking? Still, based on Mike's expert examination of that other milSub, the caseback (and interior) would deliver the goods, which the seller has omitted from the listing.Point is the dial should not have any military markings, I believe they were plain...plain caseback too.
C.
I'm not a Rolex savant, so I reserve the right to be wrong, quite wrong.
The trail is cold......
http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=22683
And
http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=4548
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Well the listing has been pulled so I think you guys who thought it was dodgy were clearly on the money.
For those of you that may be interested, the former SADF member spoke to some of the older hands in the seaborne regiment and he got this response:
The Rolex question is easy mate. Rolex dive watches are issued to 4 Special Forces (4 Recce )members under the following circumstances:
Attack diver 2 qualified
A seaborne operator who holds a rank of Col or WO1
I must say though, the watches are stored in the units stores. And storemen have been know to aquire kit on the side. So the watch could be sold off by a storemen. The watches have ID numbers to. So signed in and out to a specific person. This may be a way of finding out who's watch it is/was. Be careful about buying a watch like this as it would have been dived with ALOT!!!!! and been put through a fair amount of hammering. Lots of the guys also complained about the Rolex's not keeping time very well and reverted back to our Seiko dive watches, or casio G-shocks (that we were also issued with) Hope this helps. Send me the auction link and I'll see what the deal is.
It's a long shot but I've asked if he get a picture of the real deal.
Yes, a pic would be very interesting Rob. Good info, thanks.
number 2) just had picture of George W Bush ,sister( if he has one) and lassie , funny so funny
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