German Military watches...post war

[Geronimo]

The BMW thread has quietened down a bit, so gentlemen, here´s something else to view and discuss.
A few of my german post war Mil watches, starting with my favourite:
I´ll start with the Junghans, with the J88 movement. In my oppinion the most sought after!
The watch was issued from 1958 to the pilots of the Luftwaffe, the Jets that were flown at that time were Lockheed´s F-104 „Starfighter“




The Heuer H3 was the watch which took over after the Junghans.
I´ll spare you my explainations, because enough has already been written about the watch.
Heuer
Heuer Bund
Heuer comparison
Heuer on the dash
Heuer Knirim



Orfina Porsche design Bund, Lemania 5100 Workhorse movement.
again here a link with more informatio about the watch
Orfina Porsch design Bund


Orfina Porsche design Bund 3H dial and back


Here with the same movement, Lemania 5100, the Arctos Bund. They all look very much alike, that´s because the Bundeswehr had stringent specifications which they had to be made made to.


Tutima Bund



Well the two that are still evading me are the old Tutima and Hanhart, which are identical to the issued watches from the second world war.

[A.Pottinger]

Very nice indeed.

I love the Junghans and at one point very nearly went for one... I really like the Orfina PD and regularly wear one (3H model, though I've also had the sterile dial version, too (mil. issue)- I like them more than the Tutima, which I've also had, although they are nevertheless wonderful watches(-just a personal preference).

Thanks for sharing,
Br,

AP.

[Geronimo]

Hi AP,

I love the Junghans and at one point very nearly went for one.

You should have gone for it, its the most comfortable of the Bund watches to wear, very light , and just beautiful...and getting rarer and more expensive every year. The Lemania watches i.e. Arctos, Orfina, Tutima etc. are too thick and too heavy for my likings, compared to a Submarier for example;

[notenoughwrists]

I've always liked those Heuers - Great looking watch. (Did I see a piccie of a Kemner homage to them recently?)
Did Heuer ever do a version of the Bund with a date (or day/date) window - I can only find Day/Dates appearing once Sinn took up the mantle? I'd love one of those.

[River Rat]

Nice collection of post war German military watches.

[andy111s]

Thanks for the compilation - interesting. The Lemanias are a thick movement - but I doubt the Bund straps will help!

Cheers - nice to see them strung out for comparison.

[PRGH]

Thanks for the post. Very interesting. Really like the look of the Junghans especially the shaped bezel.

[Geronimo]

I've always liked those Heuers - Great looking watch. (Did I see a piccie of a Kemner homage to them recently?)
Did Heuer ever do a version of the Bund with a date (or day/date) window - I can only find Day/Dates appearing once Sinn took up the mantle? I'd love one of those.

No, Heuer never did a day/date for the Bundeswehr, and yes you did see a Kemmner copy...

Thanks for the compilation - interesting. The Lemanias are a thick movement - but I doubt the Bund straps will help!

You´re damm right, the strap dosn´t help at all, makes it nearly 1/4 inch thicker!
Thanks for the interest shown and the replies, I appreciate it.

[A.Pottinger]

I like the thickness of the orfina and agree it is a deep watchcase and all-in, though as you say, with a bund or one that is made to fit well (as I have done), it's very comfortable, even in hot conditions. (Unlike the orthdoxy of some- leather breathes and more importantly, does not scratch were NATOs and rough webbing-style straps can very much so, particularly where local humidity is low, such as in the desert, when skin is sensitive and cracked for many in places- particulalry new arrivals and those acclimatizing.)

Br,

AP.

PS I'd like a Junghans, but I hear the spare parts are also not so easy to obtain, when necc. (as it's a matter of when, if one wishes to wear it).

[Tigger]

Not in the same league as the above but still another example of a post war German Military.





Tigger :)

[A.Pottinger]

Nice, I had one of those and really liked it. Titanium case and very functional, imho.

Br,

AP. :)

[Geronimo]

and going at a very reasonable price from what I´ve heard...300€-350€, considering they are still on issue and shouldn´t be had on civvy street!!!
It would fit well into my collection :D

[hth]

Hello Jimmy,

the Junghans J88 was not only issued to the pilots of the Luftwaffe, the watch also issued to the commanding officers of the Navy, especially the commanders of the submarines and the fast patrol boats and to the commanders of the armoured reconnaissance/ long range reconnaissance patrols of the Army as well.

Best regards
Hajo

[Geronimo]

So every Tom, Dick and Harry had one!......(no, just joking) :lol:
Thanks for the information, Hajo

All the best

Jimmy

[hth]

Hi Jimmy,

this is a Heuer 3H which served its duty on the wirst of a friend/crew-comrade of mine in the German Navy Fleet Air Arm (?), MFG 1, 1978-86. The watch was used by him in the cockpit of F-104G and a Tornado. .
My friend is still alive :wink: and is now Captain on board of a LH A-340.

[Geronimo]

Nice watch to own, with a "real" history behind it, but what an anticlimax...from flying F-104G´s and Tornado´s and now on the buses!!! :D

[hth]

a "real" history behind it, but what an anticlimax...from flying F-104G´s and Tornado´s and now on the buses!!! :D

You're right Jimmy.But the 'bus job' is better paid and my friend has to feed 6 children from 3 wifes on two continents:wink:. Obviuosly the results of several 'Touch and goes' :D!

[A.Pottinger]

Fascinating. I really like the last example.

AP. 8)

[Geronimo]

well I got myself another fairly rare early Bund watch...a Hanhart Fliegerchronograph Cal.42-51 Typ 417 E
The Bund collection is coming along nicely, thank you!

[A.Pottinger]

A very nice example. Congratulations. I also like the piece of furniture its on! :lol: (at least the wood).

I like the bezels on these, amongst other things.

AP.

[Geronimo]

The piece of furniture it´s on is a Hamilton Master Deck Watch box :D
I´ll add a post later, if there is interest, that is!

Regards

Jimmy

[Carlton-Browne]

Thanks for posting this. As I've said before I particularly like the J88 and I didn't realise that there was a Hanhart with Bund markings. I suppose I'll have to read my Knirim more closely.

[Geronimo]

The Hanhart was the first watch issued after the new formation in 1955, from the Wehrmacht to Bundeswehr, untill about 1958, where the Junghans J88 replaced the Hanhart, and I agree with you, the most desireable is the Junghans J88

[A.Pottinger]

:lol: a very appropriate piece of furniture- mahogany I presume(?)

The recessed subdials on the Hanhart are very pleasing, imho.

Br,

AP. :)

PS I understand they came in different cases.

[RABbit]

The piece of furniture it´s on is a Hamilton Master Deck Watch box :D
I´ll add a post later, if there is interest, that is!

Regards

Jimmy

YES PLEASE!!

[Geronimo]

The piece of furniture it´s on is a Hamilton Master Deck Watch box :D
I´ll add a post later, if there is interest, that is!

Regards

Jimmy

YES PLEASE!!

OK its already written and posted :wink:

[Geronimo]

Well I got my long lost Tengler, of which only 500 were made and issued, in fact I found two of these rare birds in one month and bought them both off course :)
The only thing missing is the Leather case with the star map etc (I haven´t given up hope though!), which can be seen in Konrad Knirims picture below!

If you´d like to read a bit about them, then open the links with a google translator.

Here are the watches;
Bundeswehr Uhren
[url=http://www.flying-time.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=3214&hilight=tengler]Tengler in der Bucht[/url[url=http://www.flying-time.de/wbb2/thread.php?threadid=4326&hilight=tengler]Tengler "Sternzeit"[/urlFrage ORFINA Box

now the twins ;)

[Geronimo]

And here is the paperwork to the Tengler


Regards

Jimmy

[sweets]

Great stuff, and well done on the Tengler(s).
I had one, 142.

Here it is (long gone now)

http://forum.atgvintagewatches.com/g...MG_7928_ol.jpg

(I wish the new forum would post pictures that it used to before)

I always preferred it to the Arctos. Even though they were almost the same, all the differences were in the Tengler's favour, I thought.
It is interesting that the specification crept so much from the letter you refer to above.
20 Bar ?
Sapphire Glass
Neither came to pass, in fact it always amused me that the Tengler had a screwdown crown and only 50m WR.
Also the last drawing (left of Konrad's composite page) is not the drawing of the Tengler. It shows a significantly domed crystal, which this watch never had.

Dave

ps - Thanks for referring to my article comparing the Sinn 156 and Heuer Bund.

[Geronimo]

Thanks for the reply Dave, do you regret selling that one? I Know I would after all that time and trouble hunting these rare beasts down...

Best Regards

Jimmy

[sweets]

Actually no, I do not misss it in the least.
I didn't spend any time looking for it, it fell into my lap. One of the other ATG members owned it, and almost insisted that I buy it off him. So I had very little "emotional capital" wrapped up in it.

I also still have plenty of 5100s to keep me company (Fortis Ti LE, EZM1, Lorenz, Omega 176.0012, Porsche Design etc etc).
And I have realised that military provenance doesn't matter to me at all.
It is the watch that matters to me, and the ones I have left are ones I prefer.

I also have a super-rare Tutima Commando with bezel, ex-issued by the ZUZ troops (see here)

http://forum.tz-uk.com/showthread.ph...ghlight=tutima

I got it because I like the watch. It happend that the only way to get one was to get an issued one, but that wasn't my "must-have" criteria.

Although it doesn't have an NSN, and was only issued to customs "troops", I suppose that Tutima also belongs in this thread too.

Dave

[Geronimo]

Yes, I saw that thread when it came up, but it´s not my thing. Zoll or Customs watch´s , were watches that were privately owned (IMHO), anyone could have had one (if you were employes by the said customs unit that is!) Im only into issued military watches, and I don´t consider the customs people as Military.
If you want to know more about the watches, a friend of mine wrote an article about them, in Flying Time forum;
http://translate.google.com/translat...Dtutima%2Bzoll

Regards

Jimmy