Reply With QuoteNothing to do with americans. The oppresive moderation on other british forums (not just watch forums - photography forums even) is, if anything, more than the american forums.
TZ-UK is an - quite possibly, only - exception; and thank god for that
I see my ole buddy Zilla is bitchin and moanin and feeling oppressed :?
I can't see why :D :lol:
Nothing to do with americans. The oppresive moderation on other british forums (not just watch forums - photography forums even) is, if anything, more than the american forums.
TZ-UK is an - quite possibly, only - exception; and thank god for that
No point in me signing up them, would get nothing past the mods :wink:
Originally Posted by captainhowdy
Try signing up with Talkphotography, Captainhowdy. It'll be a hoot. You wont last more than 24 hours :lol: :lol:
I spent quite a few years over on the American TZ and I've witnessed the moderation there. I don't think it has anything to do with being American. It has to do with a) the mods themselves, and they aren't all heavy handed, and b) the wishes of the site owner, based on his business deals. Americans are more sue happy than anyone else, probably, but I don't think you can base the so called oppression on any sort of Americanism.
UJJWALDEY8165 hit the nail on the head. From my perspective this forum is very open in allowing members to speak their mind without the fear of a "forum axe" falling and is probably more so than most forums out there. I think the hallmark of a great forum is the members do "the policing" and the moderator only steps in when things get too ugly. Collectively this seems to be the case here. In many ways there are features of this attitude within this thread.
A good example of the above can be found in the posts under "Keep it Clean" where some members were put into uncomfortable situations due to pictures posted and did the "policing" themselves.
I think this is happening in the UK too but it comes from both the left and right and is expressed in what is commonly called political correctness.
To be precise I think that 'left' and 'right' are too generic -- it is the politcal north west and north east, the authoritarians of both left and right, who are to blame (in both the USA and UK). Both these political classes are on the rise. What they have in common is that they wish to control how other people act, think and communicate (and use tools such as political correctness to acheive it).
Political Compass here http://www.politicalcompass.org/ for explanation.
For reference, my own political views are libertarian (pro-freedom of speech, belief, thought and non-harmful-to-others action; anti-censorship; pro-market forces; anti-authoritarianism; pro-individual liberty and the right to live or die on one's own effrots; anti-welfare state) south east.
I run another forum which has nothing to do with watches and moderation is a constant worry for us. I suppose that where one starts from is the ideal that speech should be free and unmoderated, and then it quickly becomes apparent that this is an impossibly utopian state for a variety of reasons covered here:
1) Idiot spammers who'll fill your forum with rubbish given 30 seconds opportunity.
2) Slightly less idiotic posters who think that the anonymity of the web gives them free rein to say something they wouldn't dream of saying face to face.
3) Sponsors who believe, in the interests of "marketing" that they should be able to control dialogue. Always a terrible idea which only sounds good in a marketing proposal, and even then not very good...
4) Vexatious litigants who believe that a written slight in a conversational forum read by a (usually) fairly small audience is grounds to try and get their mortgage paid off in damages and, lastly;
5) The overpaid lawyers who propagate such thoughts, and charge a fat fee for them not to ultimately succeed, at least very often.
Any one of the 5 above conspire to spoil the utopia which most fora start with, and it is the comparative weighting which determines the tone and feel of a forum of an individual level. I know that Eddie has had problems with spam accounts which is why, quite rightly, it is a little harder than average to get an account here (but worth it when you do) and the american corporate culture lives in far more fear of litigation than we tend to over here, hence the slightly more oppressive moderation found in a variety of US fora.
Anyway, cheers for this place, which seems to me to get the mix spot on...
I used to be the owner and administrator for a forum with ~100,000 members. When you get up into those sorts of numbers you have to moderate it. The forum was for computer racing simulations and there were fanboys for the various programs who used to try to wind up the other fanboys. It was a lot of work to keep on top of them. The worst part of the job was when a very dodgy forum decided to launch an attack on us, posting the most obscene content. One of our Aussie admins had the horrible task of clearing it up, simply because he was awake at the time.
Good point :idea:
Like 'The taliban on SCWF' posted here.
This thread too is a display of bad form and effortlessly obscene language is not a rare thing on this forum.
Rather rediculous: other fora are judged oppressive, at the same time excerting oppressing judgement on this forum.
Hitler was a socialist; 'left' . Nazi = National Socialist, socialist :idea:I think this is happening in the UK too but it comes from both the left and right and is expressed in what is commonly called political correctness.
To be precise I think that 'left' and 'right' are too generic -- .
What is happening in the US is indeed from the side of big money, which is considered 'right'. It is about controll of the mass.
Wether 911 was real or (partly) staged, it is massively abused to stamp on the Bill of Rights.
The FDC passed a bill giving them the mandate to moderate the contents of internet; internet access from the States. This scares internet companies witless so these are all too happy to jump to the US governments orders.
These developments are not stand alone and as internet is public, the fora follow suit. Especially if there is the slightest vested interest.
If a dutch guy wants to make money from a forum with mainly US participants it better be politally óver correct and that is not only restrictive to the extreme but also like an oil spill on water.
No he wasn't.
You plonker.
This is getting out of hand now.No he wasn't.
You plonker.
When I make a remark about `poor country with fat people` that´s a joke, tasteless as it may be to some of you.
That's why I like it here, bit of sarcasm, British humor, and toes that are not to long.
The names I've been called here.............beggars belief :shock: .
If we are now seriously discussing about Hitler and Nazi's I'm out.
I can't escape the feeling that someone here is deliberatery steering a lighthearted discussion into something that it was never meant to be.
HAGWE all,
Daddel.
Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!
Well said Daddel. Your comment about the Americans was funny and throwaway. Sadly there is a vein of society (we call them the 'Guardianista' here) who seize on anything remotely 'offensive' and compare the 'perpetrator' to Hitler in one way or another. It's intellectually bankrupt and quite pointless.This is getting out of hand now.No he wasn't.
You plonker.
When I make a remark about `poor country with fat people` that´s a joke, tasteless as it may be to some of you.
That's why I like it here, bit of sarcasm, British humor, and toes that are not to long.
The names I've been called here.............beggars belief :shock: .
If we are now seriously discussing about Hitler and Nazi's I'm out.
I can't escape the feeling that someone here is deliberatery steering a lighthearted discussion into something that it was never meant to be.
HAGWE all,
Daddel.
Stereotypes exist for a reason - usually because they are generally true. :)
On the subject:as said before, I am only active on this one. I would never resist someone trying to moderate me. I am too old to resist idiots.
On the side political discussions: to the bear pit, guys, please. This is watch talk..... :)
Good point
The Bear Pit does seem to be the place to go with this so I strike my post.
I've said it before and was flamed for it - if you want to discuss such issues, b*gger off to the Pit :twisted:
Who are you to complain? You've posted all sorts of crap on this forum and you haven't been moderated once.
If it were up to me I'd ban you just for the spelling errors...
:D :D
Yeah, well... leaving aside the cultural issues...
... the thing that always amazes me on the US forums is how quickly you get jumped on if you want to talk about price. I answered a query by someone on one of the big US forums a few days ago regarding the current market price for a used piece, and got slammed by a moderator with words to the effect of "we don't talk about that sort of thing here! Let's keep it general."
Err, OK, sorry... prices and stuff. Yeah, a bit too specific. I wouldn't want to... umm... upset the sponsors! :evil: I'll just stick to rehashing that banal general stuff, then!
Oh, yeah... and the other thing. Deleting the price on you sales thread. Shhhh...! Its all a big secret. :roll:
-flugzeit
Being an American I can agree with Z on his big money influencing government because it's true. I think back in the late 1800's and early 1900's they did the same until their abuses were no longer accepted and laws were passed because of it.
I don't know how the Taliban at poor little Seiko Citizen forum equates. The member was over moderated as most here agreed. I think it just shows over moderation is quite prevalent.
Since they're sponsored forums the sponsers don't want to see their goods devalued so quickly by the flippers :lol:
I'm a bit surprised that Americans (me being one of them) put up with the moderation, given our innate dislike of being controlled. It seems very anti-American, really. TZ-UK is a unique place, and I do appreciate it.
It's easier to leave and move on than fight about it.
Yep, that was always my feeling. Some things are worth fighting for and this one isn't. :)It's easier to leave and move on than fight about it.
Fighting you say :evil: :twisted:Yep, that was always my feeling. Some things are worth fighting for and this one isn't. :)It's easier to leave and move on than fight about it.
Come on then, I'll have you for dinner.................. :lol:
TZ-UK is worth fighting for it's a island of sensibility :D
Cheers,
Daddel.
Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!
Of course it is mate! Wasn't referring to this place. :lol:Fighting you say :evil: :twisted:Yep, that was always my feeling. Some things are worth fighting for and this one isn't. :)It's easier to leave and move on than fight about it.
Come on then, I'll have you for dinner.................. :lol:
TZ-UK is worth fighting for it's a island of sensibility :D
Cheers,
Daddel.
My thoughts also. The monetisation is fine; it's the [word removed] I can't stand. Like walking into an Audi dealership and being ejected if you utter the letters B, M and W in that order. (Or, as it's otherwise known, "competition" - a concept that the US in particular has historically promoted enthusiastically.)
...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!
D'you mean it was referred to by the more tea-party-esque Republicans as "Nazi-society" or "communist" practice?
...but what do I know; I don't even like watches!
Wait a minute - please don't go bashing my T-Party...................
Personally, I can no longer stand viewing or participating on any forums (U.S. or foreign). Most are no longer informative or enjoyable. Most have turned into soap operas with daily drama that does not make me want to tune in tomorrow. What really gets me are the fanboys who play tonsil-hockey with the mods and give daily lap dances to the sponsors.
At first I didn't think Eddie knew what all he was missing but now I am sure that he does and is very happy!!!
Where did the post referencing the KKK and black people go? Did I miss it? Was it self-moderated? That was a funny Eurotrash joke! :)
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