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    What do you tell them?

    A friend asked me if I could change the battery on his brother's watch yesterday and I said it wasn't a problem if I had the correct battery. His brother brought it about an hour ago and told me it was a presentation watch from work a few years ago.

    Not an expensive movement but certainly adequate.



    However, this movement was never fitted to what he thought it was :( .



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    Re: What do you tell them?

    make him a cup of tea and break it gently... or

    tell him it's counterfeit and smash it with a hammer!

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    Oooooh. :(
    Change it, give it back, say nothing. Often a little deviation from the truth can avoid a lot of explaining

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    I wouldn't say anything myself .. battery changed, job done.

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Tricky. Personally I wouldn't say anything unless asked about its authenticity/value/etc.

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    It is tricky... He may take the fact that you havent said anything as a validation, being a watchmaker and all..... You could say you think it 'may' be not as it seems and advise him to take it to Goldsmiths to look at?
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    Re: What do you tell them?

    You have to say it's a duffer.
    Good luck everybody. Have a good one.

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Quote Originally Posted by monogroover
    I wouldn't say anything myself .. battery changed, job done.
    That was my first thought, but what if he later finds out it's a lemon? Wouldn't that make Eddie look worse for (in the owners eyes) not spotting it or not bothering to tell him?
    Also, what's to stop the owner thinking, when he eventually does find out, that Eddie didn't switch movements himself? Maybe the movement was switched by an unscrupulous servicer in the past? Maybe the firm bought the watch in good faith, or maybe they were cheap b*ds and if he's still working there can have a word and maybe get a better replacement :)

    I think that the owner should be told, or at least tell the brother and let him decide the best course.

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Tell your friend, let him decide whether to tell his brother :wink:

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Stall for time. Tell him that you'll need to send it off to this Dutch specialist, located in Spain.....
    In the Sotadic Zone, apparently.

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Quote Originally Posted by waynertron
    Quote Originally Posted by monogroover
    I wouldn't say anything myself .. battery changed, job done.
    That was my first thought, but what if he later finds out it's a lemon? Wouldn't that make Eddie look worse for (in the owners eyes) not spotting it or not bothering to tell him?
    Also, what's to stop the owner thinking, when he eventually does find out, that Eddie didn't switch movements himself? Maybe the movement was switched by an unscrupulous servicer in the past? Maybe the firm bought the watch in good faith, or maybe they were cheap b*ds and if he's still working there can have a word and maybe get a better replacement :)
    Well it's not just the movement, is it? There is no Oysterdate that comes in a case like that.

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    i would tell him
    how good a friend is he? if he takes it somewhere else next time to have the battery done and they tell him its duff your friend may end up thinking you swapped it out?

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Oh dear......

    Come clean :)
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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Eddie's credibility in regard to watches is a factor here.

    Kill it with fire and tell him the cat ate it.

    But then he may want replacement value based on what he thought the watch was.

    There is no choice, Eddie has to change his name and move overseas.

    Or tell him gently that it is a fake.

    HTH.

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Would it do him any good, to know?
    Replace the battery an give it back, with no seconds-hand it's difficult to see whether it's quartz or not :D

    But on a serious note, I don't know if it's a very good friend, if so, tell him, the friendship should be able to take a knock or two :)

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Quote Originally Posted by monogroover
    Well it's not just the movement, is it? There is no Oysterdate that comes in a case like that.
    Ah, well that I didn't know Still learnin see :)
    I still think the truth needs to be told though.

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    Honesty would be the best policy. I think in the long run he'd appreciate it.

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Change battery, and tell them that you've "done the battery change on their rolex replica".

    Unless someone else can think of a more diplomatic way of telling the truth?

    Mike.

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Quote Originally Posted by toastie
    i would tell him
    how good a friend is he? if he takes it somewhere else next time to have the battery done and they tell him its duff your friend may end up thinking you swapped it out?
    And that's the problem. :|

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    He asked me what it was worth and would I be interested in buying it. That rather put me on the spot so I told him that Rolex only made one quartz model and it wasn't a "Precision", I also pointed out that Rolex wouldn't use a cheap plastic spacer or a £7.95 movement. He didn't seem surprised.

    He was present when I opened the watch so he knows there was no jiggery-pokery.

    Eddie
    Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    :shock:

    Now he sounds like a chancer, wondering if you'd noticed and if he could sell it on to you knowing himself that it was a fake.

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Quote Originally Posted by tomah
    :shock:

    Now he sounds like a chancer, wondering if you'd noticed and if he could sell it on to you knowing himself that it was a fake.
    :?: He sounds like he doesn't know about wristwatches.

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    I'd sit him down and tell him the truth and that you wont be making an offer.

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Quote Originally Posted by tomah
    :shock:

    Now he sounds like a chancer, wondering if you'd noticed and if he could sell it on to you knowing himself that it was a fake.
    :lol:
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    I think you've got to tell him.
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    Re: What do you tell them?

    what i want to know is what sort of outfit gives their employees a duff watch?
    Good luck everybody. Have a good one.

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Honesty is always the best policy.

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    How well do you know the brother? If you don't say anything, might you eventually get accused of swapping it out? I would, I suspect, at the very least, let your friend know, and ask him about telling his brother.

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    You will need to be upfront and honest unfortunately :cry:

    I feel your integrity would be questioned at a later date should the owner discover it's a fake.

    Never a nice way to break bad news but at least you will sleep easier knowing this particular watch wont come back to bite you in the @rse.
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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Not telling was my first thought. But after I read the responses of others, I think, that pointing it out would be more adequate.

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    I thought I made it clear further up this page that I told him but obviously it wasn't clear enough. What is not clear about this post?

    He asked me what it was worth and would I be interested in buying it. That rather put me on the spot so I told him that Rolex only made one quartz model and it wasn't a "Precision", I also pointed out that Rolex wouldn't use a cheap plastic spacer or a £7.95 movement. He didn't seem surprised.

    He was present when I opened the watch so he knows there was no jiggery-pokery.

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne
    He asked me what it was worth and would I be interested in buying it. That rather put me on the spot so I told him that Rolex only made one quartz model and it wasn't a "Precision", I also pointed out that Rolex wouldn't use a cheap plastic spacer or a £7.95 movement. He didn't seem surprised
    Sell him a proper watch instead. Any PRS 22s in stock?

    :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by seikopath
    what i want to know is what sort of outfit gives their employees a duff watch?
    The one I worked for wanted the watch back when you left. The current issue chronograph (Pulsar) has had its clearance to use on flying duties revoked. As my mate put it (in highly technical language which I hope won't lose any readers), "the twisty bit comes off and that's probably not good".

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    Yep, I was our units flight safety officer when I had to put up pictures of the offending Pulsar warning of the safety risk. They were so bad that I couldn't ever get them to hack properly and the seconds hand ticked in between the indices. A prime example of cost cutting the contract.

    Always amazes me how they still have a following on the forum and are occasionally bought/sold for OTT prices. Give me a CWC any day!

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Switch out the 'movement' for a Rhonda. 10 years piece of mind ? :albino:

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    In any case, you've got 20 weeks to decide. ;)

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    Re: What do you tell them? The truth!------>

    <QUOTE>He asked me what it was worth and would I be interested in buying it. That rather put me on the spot so I told him that Rolex only made one quartz model and it wasn't a "Precision", I also pointed out that Rolex wouldn't use a cheap plastic spacer or a £7.95 movement. He didn't seem surprised.</QUOTE>

    You've told him subtlety it's not real, but I would make sure he DEFINITELY understands it's a fake. Even if he already knows.

    Your honesty and good reputation are at stake here, and being honest at the get-go should eliminate any future repercussion(s).

    If the brother and he are disappointed, it's not your fault, it's their problem.

    I know if I told the truth right away, I would feel better about myself.

    Good luck… Joel M

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_in_the_UK
    Oh dear......

    Come clean :)
    Agree - on both counts!

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne
    I thought I made it clear further up this page that I told him but obviously it wasn't clear enough. What is not clear about this post?

    He asked me what it was worth and would I be interested in buying it. That rather put me on the spot so I told him that Rolex only made one quartz model and it wasn't a "Precision", I also pointed out that Rolex wouldn't use a cheap plastic spacer or a £7.95 movement. He didn't seem surprised.

    He was present when I opened the watch so he knows there was no jiggery-pokery.

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    I thought it was very clear! sounds like a bit of a chancer...

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    I think Eddie means why is everyone still chiming in with suggestions on what to tell the guy, when Eddie's already told him it's a £7.50 "Polex" fake!

    I would be interested to buy it, but I've seen this Patek on EBay, and that one's got 4 new batteries!! :lol:

    Quote Originally Posted by Taff
    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne
    I thought I made it clear further up this page that I told him but obviously it wasn't clear enough. What is not clear about this post?

    He asked me what it was worth and would I be interested in buying it. That rather put me on the spot so I told him that Rolex only made one quartz model and it wasn't a "Precision", I also pointed out that Rolex wouldn't use a cheap plastic spacer or a £7.95 movement. He didn't seem surprised.

    He was present when I opened the watch so he knows there was no jiggery-pokery.

    Eddie
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    I thought it was very clear! sounds like a bit of a chancer...

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Quote Originally Posted by seikopath
    what i want to know is what sort of outfit gives their employees a duff watch?
    Indeed.

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    I would have laughed and derided him for the loser he is.

    Tact has never been my strong point. :lol:

    Of course you could always point out that an oyster should be in an oyster case.

    Not a difficult spot. :wink:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil.C
    I would have laughed and derided him for the loser he is.

    Tact has never been my strong point. :lol:

    Of course you could always point out that an oyster should be in an oyster case.

    Not a difficult spot. :wink:
    ive always wondered why an oyster is called an oyster. it doesnt look like an oyster to me.
    Good luck everybody. Have a good one.

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Quote Originally Posted by seikopath
    ive always wondered why an oyster is called an oyster. it doesnt look like an oyster to me.
    I always presumed it is an allusion to the way it is made: A single piece case machined out from a solid block of metal. If you visualise this in your mind's eye then it resembles one half of an oyster shell (at least it does before you cut out the case back opening).

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    Re: What do you tell them?

    Quote Originally Posted by seadog1408
    http://www.timeandgems.com/Rolex-Oyster

    cheers
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    Thank you for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seadog1408
    http://www.timeandgems.com/Rolex-Oyster

    cheers
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    Interesting read that...Ta for the link.

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