Reply With QuoteOnce and once only I bought a new car cash. A Civic. It was a really good feeling. Loved it.
Yes.Originally Posted by Chris_in_the_UK
Once and once only I bought a new car cash. A Civic. It was a really good feeling. Loved it.
Big 4x4's are my pet hate. Drivers of large 4x4 vechicles should be made to park across two car parking spaces and buy two parking tickets for the pleasure. If you can't find two spaces next to each other, then tough luck - Go and park in a bloody field somewhere. Most of these vehicles simply do no fit into a standard car parking space without compromising the vehicles either side of them.
I would have thought that living in carrot munching land you'd appreciate a good 4x4......perhaps not!
I think you could be right.
Well most of the worlds attitude to RRs is probably that they are an unnecessary and expensive example of some humans need to prove their status, a mobile brick wall mostly driven very quickly up the outside lane of the motorway by Oliver, Hamish or Julian, or driven by airhead cityboys wives running Tabatha and Jacasta to the Justin Bieber concert, not so much a thinking mans car, something trying to be both a Bentley and a Defender, now if youve trousered a wedge and can afford 100k+ buy a diesel Defender for the school run and a Bentley or similar for beating up the autobahn, the poor people will still know you have money, but they'll also think youre smart, a win win result.
Few parking spaces fit the greatly enlarged modern hatchbacks of any make. Consider the size of the MkIII Escort compared to the new Focus which seems half as big again. For the first time I can't get my car, a new C-Max, into my garage whereas the last one fitted fine. For those who need to open the door properly to access for the infirm, or for kids' seats/buggies etc then parking spaces are a foot too narrow.
For serious money, Cayene, or X5, Amazed not mentioned Jeep SRT8 will blow them all away for a LOT less money, For choice and taste RR come somewhere below the Skoda Yeti. So for me Hennessey SRT8 leaves them all well behind. But X5 way ahead of RR as you must really suspect.
I'll stick to my 4x4, (as and when needed), Yeti 140bhp
especially on 'winter tyres"
Mad spending new RR money on a vehicle that's built for the Yanks and Arabs who also treat petrol, (and diesel), like water
Another ROFL.
Are you from the US?
Or joking?
if it was down to pure off road ability the RR is streets ahead of X5.
Ah, the SRT8 - built with engineering from a bygone era and styled by Ronald McDonald.........
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
An SRT8 at 800 to a 1000 bhp for less than a new RR first years depreciation I am perfectly serious, Find something to beat one for price ?? Having run them all at some time or an other the RR is for the Katie price/Wayne Rooneys of this world, The fit and finish of the RR is akin to lego and anything ever written has its problems and reliability mentioned you dont need a genius to google ( or pre internet) to listen to the horror stories. And now as has been said RR is coming into Bentley money! You would have to be on drugs to consider one (funny that being a drug dealers choice ) LOL
Oh be real, this thread has nothing to do with off roading, a question for you guys.
How many of us wear a Submariner for diving?
How many of us wear a Breitling when we pilot our own planes?
How many of us go off road or for that matter even tow with a 4X4?
How many of us reglarly drive at 150+ MPH (so whats the Porsche for)?
Theres currently 5 inches of snow outside the house, yet my front wheel drive car has handled the conditions with ease, there is a reason they're called chelsea tractors you know.
Have you owned a Range Rover? If so what year and which model....
I ask because having owned 2 (classic and Supercharged) and my brother having owned 2 (P38 and 4.4 Vogue SE) i would suggest that your comment re fit and finish is not correct. Also its worth mentioning that for every "horror story" you read or hear about there are in fact thousands of very pleased Range Rover owners out there....if you have driven one you will know why.
Is that chip on your shoulder I see there?
The Cayenne is fugly, the X5 is a pimps car and the SRT8 is put together like a Lada.
The Range Rover is quite simply the best car of its type. And for heavens sake, do you seriously think someone buying a Range Rover would consider a Yeti as an alternative?
I've had a Discovery and 2 RRS's in a row and if I could afford it would have the new RR in a heartbeat.
I had to go up to the Lake District and Scotland on Thursday to see customers and started off back from Kilmarnock at 11.45 am on Friday,the road south through Dumfries was already shut,A66 from Penrith to Scotch Corner already shut so ended up going from Glasgow to Newcastle via the A69 and then down the A1 and M1 .
The road out of Sheffield to home in the Derbyshire Peak District was treacherous littered with abandoned cars but still got in the house after dropping off my business partner in Hathersage,at 5.45 pm,it was already about 5 inches deep but there was never any thought of me not getting home at any stage,anyone who thinks that they are just for posers is sadly delusional,for me it's a workhorse that gets me from A-B safely in incredible comfort.
Sadly if early reports are correct the entry level new Sport is going to be £62K which is way over budget for me so it will be a 2nd hand 2 year old Full Fat for me next March.
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Thats exactly why some of us buy them
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What he said!!
Hmmm not really, as i said earlier ive had a couple of RRs but no longer see the point, living between Yorkshire and Richmond Upon Thames i kind of see two sides to RR owners, up ere in the sticks ive yet to see one off road, and in Richmond ive never seen one with a tow bar.
I've had Range Rovers of all types for the last 25 years. In my humble opinion you struggle to find a better vehicle. In my time I've used them for all sorts - from farm hack, hauling trailers full of cows with ease, to comfortable transcontinental touring - with and without a twin axle caravan on the back.
They are one of the few cars I can fit two cased tubas in the boot and still use the back seats - although the new L405 looks like it might fall that particular test.
I've regularly taken them to over 200,000 miles with mostly just home servicing and very rarely have they ever let me down.
You can't run them on a shoestring but as long as you are sensible they can be kept very nicely and be a good reliable vehicle.
If I were buying new, I think I'd avoid the 3.0 litre donk, its not going to have the guts needed and won't be popular second hand - depreciation on these will make your nose bleed at the best of times - so don't make it worse for yourself!
One thing I'll add - wait 18 months. Never splurge the thick end of £100k on the beta release of anything. Plus it's likely the hybrid version will be out by then - and that could be stunning!
You will only see mine with a towbar when I'm towing - the rest of the time it's hidden in its little cubby hole in the boot.
That is the whole point! The Range Rover is the ONLY car of its class, It is way more expensive than the rest, A utillity vehicle is for throwing rubbish in, loading with junk, Towing trailers and caravans, The RR doesn't do any of these jobs particularly well, It appears to have appealed to some people as a luxury vehicle and to compare it to a Bentley is another joke, Its constant positions in the surveys, The constant bailing out of trouble by the public and other customers all add to its lack of class and it really has lost its idea of purpose, Yes i was joking about the Yety but anyone who wanted a reliable rugged, Brilliant, well priced 4x4 would certainly look at one before lashing out on something with no particular purpose, Between the Freelander, the Discovery, and now Evoke, Sport, All fighting for the same position they have lost the plot. The original poster asked for an opinion,After 52 Yrs in motor trade Many of them as a sub contracted repairer for British Leyland. Jaguar, and whatever you want to call themselves and HAVING to run probably 10 ==20 variatins and models I would never be tempted into another, So in answer to the post The X5 is the one to buy, Or buy RR second hand at a third of its retail.
That is a very sensible suggestion. Buy at three years old and let someone else worry where 70%of the cost went.
I still say that it's one of the best all rounders you can buy. With sensible tyres it will go anywhere, in total luxury. I also think they make a great tug for almost any trailer or caravan, maybe the Defender is a slightly better tug, but you pay for it in the lack of comfort.
"Towing trailers and caravans, The RR doesn't do any of these jobs particularly well"
Bit of a daft statement.....ask anyone that has towed with a Range Rover!
"to compare it to a Bentley is another joke"
Even Bentley drives would disagree with you...
"The constant bailing out of trouble by the public and other customers all add to its lack of class and it really has lost its idea of purpose"
Top of its CLASS always "King of the Road" when it comes to 4 x 4
"So in answer to the post The X5 is the one to buy"
Nah ....been there (4.4 V8 sport) and driven the 4.6 numerous times and they are not in the same league by a long stretch.
"buy RR second hand at a third of its retail" when 3/5 years old.
I can recommend this
Just got back from our local LR garage - drove the D4 and it's very nice indeed, but all a bit dated.
Sat in a new RR though and wow, it is another class above. Just stunning. Trying to set up a test drive and if it drives anywhere near as nicely as it looks and feels I think that's where our money will be going. Only trouble will be waiting until Q4 to get one!
Cayenne comes second, Disco 3rd and M-Class a distant 4th.
"Towing trailers and caravans, The RR doesn't do any of these jobs particularly well"
Bit of a daft statement.....ask anyone that has towed with a Range Rover!
"to compare it to a Bentley is another joke"
Even Bentley drives would disagree with you...
"The constant bailing out of trouble by the public and other customers all add to its lack of class and it really has lost its idea of purpose"
Top of its CLASS always "King of the Road" when it comes to 4 x 4
"So in answer to the post The X5 is the one to buy"
Nah ....been there (4.4 V8 sport) and driven the 4.6 numerous times and they are not in the same league by a long stretch.
"buy RR second hand at a third of its retail" when 3/5 years old.
I can recommend this
We tow all the time with a SC full fat. Brilliant tow vehicle.
Little bit juicy.
Who cares?
Personally, I'd fork £50k on a new Touareg and £50k on a second hand 911 rather than £100k on a RR.
I care.... especially when I'm trying to find a space at my supermarket and some arrogant git with the big 'I am' attitude has parked his 2-tonne brick just exactly enough over the line to stop anyone else parking in the next bay. Makes my blood boil!
Still.... now I've written it down, I recognise the need to take a chill pill....
How do you know they are arrogant gits or just somebody like me who parks like that because quite often people in small cars who perhaps unintentionally park theirs within 6 inches of my drivers door which means I have to get in through the front passenger door and climb over because I can't squeeze through the small gap they have left me.
Perhaps in future you might have a little more consideration for others who like me need a 2 tonne brick to do their job driving 30 K miles a year carrying a boot full of stuff and live in an area which is in permafrost for 3 months of the year.
Two wrongs don't make a right.
Examples of dreadful parking available with every type of car; if the car park owners chose to maximise revenue by minimising the space, with the typical standard of driving and courtesy in the uk, then finding any type of car indifferently parked will be a regular experience for all..
Oh dear - strange prejudice TBH.
If I had £1 for every time somebody in ANY vehicle parked badly in any car park I would be a millionaire.
Limp wristed rant IMO.
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Naysayers, write to this lady and ask her view on the ethics of SUVs:
What actually drove you to do that, the RR no the "job".
Naysayers, write to this lady and ask her view on the ethics of SUVs:
Check out the tyres http://www.bfgoodrich.com.au/ now we are talking off road. Queeny know's. One question can you see a winch.
What good are P zero's.
Proper rubber.Naysayers, write to this lady and ask her view on the ethics of SUVs:
AT2's perhaps.
Start worrying about real stuff.
HTH.
Interesting, looks ultra modern to me on the outside. What made you say it's a bit dated?
FFRR = Full Fat Range Rover?
I also bought my wife a Freelander about 12 years back, like yours it was fully loaded, but we bought it brand new. It was utterly reliable. Boringly so - we chose a TD4 auto. The depreciation was flaming horrible, but other than that, can't complain.
Just before Christmas I was planning to swap my car, and I was convinced that the time had come for a Disco or FFRR, the problem is I can cover up to 20k miles each year, and despite my own experiences, I just don't feel I can trust a RR - I'm with you on that totally, Alex, so, back to something dull and German I went :(
I think this seems to be one of the issues - there are so many opposing experiences with LR stuff - my (ex) father in law had 2 replacement engines in a similar era Freelander and it spent more time in the garage than the staff that worked there!.
I also went German........
When you look long into an abyss, the abyss looks long into you.........
Yup, and even with a previous good experience, I was too worried to buy one for myself...
Having looked at a lot of cars recently interiors, switchgear and technology seems to have moved on massively in the last few years. The disco is all a bit solid plastic switches and big friendly buttons. The FFRR is just minimalist chic! All that bit neater and more modern looking.
Dated is probably a bit harsh but when compared to the Evoque and new RR it could probably benefit from a facelift inside.
Thanks for that. :-)
That's really not a good repost, after all, it's the little things in life.....
Besides, it is the sort of thing said by the person (who clearly only worries about the "real stuff") when asked to take his feet off the train/tube/bus seat :)
before you go to the supermarket.
Back on track.
I have had a Touareg, for the past 5 years, no issues of any sort other than being thirsty.
Quite fancied a Discovery 4 and went for a test drive in a brand new one last week. After about 1/2 mile it started crawling and the dash said something about "restricted Mode". The dealer was very apologetic, and I know it was probably a minor issue, but it didn't exactly inspire confidence.
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