Hard to dislike this one

[gunner]

£13k is expensive for a Football, bag of Dollie mixtures, toaster, etc. It is not expensive for a luxury watch. It is about lower end of mid range.

I really can't understand why anyone has a problem accepting that. The broad facts don't change according to what an individual can or cannot afford.

Look at rolex prices as an example . You will find 13k is around the lower end of Middle. same with JLC, Blancpain and many others.

Yes you can buy a piece of tat for a few hundred pounds. But you can also buy very many for over 100K

Your understanding of mid range still appears limited at best. You seem to assert that because there exist more expensive watches, £13k watches can't be expensive. On any moral, statistical or reasonable basis, a £13k watch is expensive and you are wrong.

Try not to be so arrogant that you can't learn a lesson every now and again. After all, every day's a school day...

[java]

Your understanding of mid range still appears limited at best. You seem to assert that because there exist more expensive watches, £13k watches can't be expensive. On any moral, statistical or reasonable basis, a £13k watch is expensive and you are wrong.

Try not to be so arrogant that you can't learn a lesson every now and again. After all, every day's a school day...

Try not to be patronizing, it's unbecoming.

If you had the intellect to see it, you would realise that you have just proved my case.

Did you know that when you are dead, you don't know you're dead. It is only a problem for others. Well, it's the same when you're stupid.

There being things more and things less is what makes something middle .

[gunner]

Try not to be patronizing, it's unbecoming.

If you had the intellect to see it, you would realise that you have just proved my case.

Did you know that when you are dead, you don't know your dead. It is only a problem for others. Well, it's the same when you're stupid.

There being things more and things less is what makes something middle .

Ignoring your grammatical errors (which is generous when you just called me stupid), it is you who have just proved my case.

By your reckoning, the second most expensive watch and the second cheapest watches are both "middle", there being watches both more and less expensive than each. Your lack of context is quite astounding.

[java]

Ignoring your grammatical errors (which is generous when you just called me stupid), it is you who have just proved my case.

By your reckoning, the second most expensive watch and the second cheapest watches are both "middle", there being watches both more and less expensive than each. Your lack of context is quite astounding.

So if the Highest number is say £300,000 and the lowest is say £5, where would you say the middle was?
Just out of interest.

[gunner]

So if the Highest number is say £300,000 and the lowest is say £5, where would you say the middle was?
Just out of interest.

The "middle"? I assume, given your level of understanding, that you mean the arithmetic average of the two numbers you stated, so it is clearly £150,002.50.

What you miss is that (if we are still talking about watch sales) the weighted average and the median would still be far, far lower and certainly well below £13k.

If you still can't grasp the 'context' I mentioned in a previous post, let's see what the outcome of the poll is...

[Griswold]

So if the Highest number is say £300,000 and the lowest is say £5, where would you say the middle was?
Just out of interest.

I think you have difficulty understanding what 'middle' actually means.

For the record, in your scenario above it's £150,002.50p

[java]

I think you have difficulty understanding what 'middle' actually means.

For the record, in your scenario above it's £150,002.50p

So more than £13k then

[Griswold]

So more than £13k then

Of course £150,002.50p is more than £13k. What does that prove, other than that you're clutching at straws?

[learningtofly]

These brand-related spats are really getting on my nerves, and it's always the same people involved.

[gunner]

These brand-related spats are really getting on my nerves, and it's always the same people involved.

Just to clarify, I have no problem with Rolex, hence my first post in this thread.

I recently found myself hugely drawn to a Rolex. It had blue on the dial and had Yachtmaster in the name. It wasn't this...

[Kutusov]

These brand-related spats are really getting on my nerves, and it's always the same people involved.

Yes, for a less assiduous member like me it's a bit hard to understand this thread unless I think there is a history (repetition) that I don't know about. What's harder to understand is why someone likes a watch, makes the effort to share it with you and you go nuts. The OP gives you the option to like the watch or not... I know I'm making the same mistake I'm pointing out by what I'm going to say but I can't help to think about religious zealots going about things when I read this through... "How dare you offend me, I'm so offended now that I'm justified to go completely crazy on you now".

Anyway, what I'm really glad is that the OP got a watch that he likes very much.

[gunner]

Yes, for a less assiduous member like me it's a bit hard to understand this thread unless I think there is a history (repetition) that I don't know about. What's harder to understand is why someone likes a watch, makes the effort to share it with you and you go nuts. The OP gives you the option to like the watch or not... I know I'm making the same mistake I'm pointing out by what I'm going to say but I can't help to think about religious zealots going about things when I read this through... "How dare you offend me, I'm so offended now that I'm justified to go completely crazy on you now".

Anyway, what I'm really glad is that the OP got a watch that he likes very much.

It's a fair cop guv, guilty as charged. The poll is up now so I'll leave it at that.

[java]

It's a fair cop guv, guilty as charged. The poll is up now so I'll leave it at that.

Your poll is as ineffective and ridiculous as your argument.

You may as well ask. Is £13K a lot of money?

[monogroover]

I'm not sure head-hunting the chief designer of Fisher Price was such a good recruitment decision for Rolex.

[scarto]

Not really.
Its big.
Its clunky.
Its rolex.
Its gaudy.
Its a vulgar display of wealth.
In fact, the only thing about this watch that a rapper wouldn't like is that its not the "proper" gold version of the clownwatch.

I must say, I'm SHOCKED to see you here contributing voraciously to a Rolex-related thread. What next? Huertacilla spouting on about Veblen goods?

INCREDIBLE what surprises this forum throws up sometimes.

[chrisparker]

Absolute rubbish. You have a Rolex dealer in York. Blowers is only down the road. £13K is lower end of mid even just for Rolex!

Of course if you ask people who know nothing about watches you will get an invalid answer, that's obvious.

I thought this was a watch forum.

Disagreeing doesn't make anyone wrong. Being wrong however, does.

I know there's a Rolex dealer in York, and their display is mostly steel sports and date justs and the like i.e. the sub 10k models, and Rolex is their top end brand. Yes I could travel to another City to buy a more expensive watch but like I said, in this City, given that there are thousands of new watches for sale, the undeniable vast majority are under £10k.

[soundood]

its like a mini West Side Story around here

back on topic,

I really hated this watch on release, but have been looking at it closely lately adding up the sum of all parts, and I do believe I might actually like this watch it it wasn't for that stupid Bezel.

and funny enough, I have been thinking of it with the same Platinum bezel as the first one, I am going to try and Photoshop the Platinum bezel onto it to see how it looks

[RAJEN]

Am glad the 13k debate has moved elsewhere as this thread is not about the price or money.
While I am perfectly ok with someone not liking the watch, cannot help being amused by the need/impulse felt by some to be personally insulting or making derogatory comments.
Could very well reply in kind but am not here to trade insults.
And, am not inviting people to like this watch. Certainly interested in knowing how people feel about it. But am confident in my choices,so am not going to feel threatened by someone not liking it.

[Steve748]

Good on you, you like and buy what you want, it's not a watch for me as there is no date and I like to use the complications on my Rolex.. the GMT hand.

[soundood]

OK, I think I was correct, the bezel on this just ruins the whole watch, and I would seriously consider this watch with the bezel change,

and excuse my novice photoshop skills

what do you guys think?

[Kutusov]

OK, I think I was correct, the bezel on this just ruins the whole watch, and I would seriously consider this watch with the bezel change,

and excuse my novice photoshop skills

what do you guys think?

Uhm, feels too much out of place to me, it looks almost an unfinished insert... can you make it blue or black?

[soundood]

Uhm, feels too much out of place to me, it looks almost an unfinished insert... can you make it blue or black?

blue mmm, I will see if my kung foo will allow me

[RAJEN]

It looks too much like the WG I had and was too plain for me.

[soundood]

ok here it is with some colours on the old bezel,

again please forgive my photoshop attempts, but I think we get the idea

light blue of 1-10 box


dark blue of inner subdial


and black, although this would look much better with the cerechrome bezel

[RAJEN]

Like the first one!

[Steve748]

First one is too wishy washy and I like the 3rd one best and it looks better with the old style bezel than the bezel with the watch name on imo of course.

[Kutusov]

Well, it remains a problematic watch for me... The PS attempts are good enough to imagine a solid colour with white numbers. And I'm also not a fan of the idea of having the watch's model written on the bezel. But still, I prefer the original thing

I don't know, I think in part I forguive Rolex because I'm used to see them writing too much stuff on their watches, like "Superlative Chronometer" and all that engraving in the chapter ring of the DSSD (I can't ever remember that French-sounding name you guys use for the Rolex chapter rings)

Oh, let me just add up one thing I've realized now... white dials are not easy for me, let alone if there isn't a clear framing from all the steel. I guess that's why I would need a high contrasting bezel to make the dial stand for it self and to not feel it being engulfed by the case and bracelet.

[futon river crossing]

So, it is hard to dislike Marmite if you are not against the whole idea of putting foul-smelling, disgusting sludge in your mouth?

Na - that's gay porn!

[Artistmike]

In general, other than my 5513 I'm not that fond of the styling of most modern Rolex but I think it's a great watch and one of their better pieces, probably because I have a yachting interest and as I've said elsewhere, it's the best visually practical Regatta Timer I've yet seen.

I think it's great and hope you get a lot of pleasure from it..

[dustybottoms]

A friend has one, it certainly made me take a double look the first time I saw him wear it but I can't say that I liked it that much.

Ive not seen another in the wild.

[Boeingdriver]

Well i like it but i'm a wierdo anyway!

[RobDad]

I find the idea behind the Yachtmaster a bit weird. I have a close relative who is involved in yacht racing at the very top of the sport, and have met many of his friends and acquaintances who are involved on both the technical side and the crew members.
A lot of them are into watches - lots of planet oceans and Rolex Subs and Seadwellers always in steel, a Panerai here and there - but never a yacht timer or something in precious metals.
Yachts - especially racing yachts - have decks and cockpits festooned with all manner of winches, cleats, stanchions - basically the perfect place to whack and wreck a watch - and not the place for nice soft precious metals or a really expensive flash watch. If it's a watch to wear on a luxury gin palace that's fine, but to be used to time a proper yacht race? Nope.

[Kutusov]

Yachts - especially racing yachts - have decks and cockpits festooned with all manner of winches, cleats, stanchions - basically the perfect place to whack and wreck a watch - and not the place for nice soft precious metals or a really expensive flash watch. If it's a watch to wear on a luxury gin palace that's fine, but to be used to time a proper yacht race? Nope.

I fully agree but I think that's where the money and rationality of tool/use comes in and, in any situation where you actually need a watch for something very useful, that's also where I find it hard to fit a Rolex or anything over £500 really. I know that there are people over here that dive and I seem to remember mentioning actual professional divers that wear Rolexs while diving. Now, why would you spend 10x more on a tool, if it was just a to be a tool, and not go with a much more suited Citizen Aqualand (I'm thinking about those weird new ones that almost look like a rounded version of an Hamilton Ventura). Much cheaper, much more accurate, a lot tougher and with lots of useful functions for the job (rapid ascent warning and all that - it's a dive computer).

So I think that Rolex, Omega, all this brands are not bought just for what they are supposed to be, there's something else in there. The way I see it is like buying a Porsche Cayenne... you're not really buying an off-roader, in fact if that was the thing you would need you wouldn't buy one. Likewise, the Yatchmaster is just a theme thing coupled with jewellery and that is not saying that such a thing is bad...

[Kingstepper]

Can someone explain what the complication is. Don't have a yacht but presume it's a 10 minute start countdown timer.

Does the bezel turn. If it does, why is that needed? To time 2 starts?

BTW not hard to dislike.

[GETS]

I'm finding it hard to like anything about this watch to be honest. I guess the bracelet looks reasonable though?

[redmonaco]

"Hard to dislike this one"


Easy for me!!!

[Steve748]

Can someone explain what the complication is. Don't have a yacht but presume it's a 10 minute start countdown timer.

Does the bezel turn. If it does, why is that needed? To time 2 starts?

I didn't know either and found this

Might be useful for cooking something for 10 minutes or maybe less

[amar7274]

I must be in the minority here as I really like this watch.

[PWatch]

I love this piece and considered swapping my bi metal version for it, it has a cool (yet somewhat pointless) complication too. It looks much better in the flesh and better still in the wrist, I would imagine that there are very few naysayers that own larger watches AND have tried it on....

Opinions on this watch aside, I have been quite frankly appalled though at the moronic and jealous responses on TZ yet again by those saying it is 'vulgar display of wealth' etc - at the end of the day it's a piece if jewellery, if the owner can afford it and wants to spend that amount of money then so be it, should he hold back so he doesn't offend the lesser heeled? Should he not buy a Porsche 911 so that ford drivers won't think he is showing off? Extreme socialist views IMO

Can someone explain what the complication is. Don't have a yacht but presume it's a 10 minute start countdown timer.

Does the bezel turn. If it does, why is that needed? To time 2 starts?

BTW not hard to dislike.

The timer is a 10minute countdown timer, turning the bezel allows the crown to then adjust how long the timer is (can countdown anywhere between 10 and 1 minutes), flick the bezel back and the timer is good to go.

[SimonK]

One would hope, therefore, that the owners of these watches can, at the very least, produce a perfect 3 minute soft-boiled egg.

[Umbongo]

These brand-related spats are really getting on my nerves, and it's always the same people involved.

With the same people chipping in for no reason.
Even though they could walk by and never have any of it get on their nerves.
Like the busybodies who try to split fights up in real life and end up getting a punch from both the combatants.

[Umbongo]

One would hope, therefore, that the owners of these watches can, at the very least, produce a perfect 3 minute soft-boiled egg.

One would probably be hoping for a little too much. They appear to be able to grasp very little!

[Kutusov]

I didn't know either and found this

Might be useful for cooking something for 10 minutes or maybe less

I like it better in gold!! Jeshua Christ, I think I need to lay down and take a nap

[Plake]

This is one of the current line up I do like. I like the colours and the complication is interesting. It's also certainly of use to people who race sailboats.

It's a bit too big and way too expensive for me though.

[Kutusov]

I'm sure that such an usual complication, not shared by other models, is in part responsible for its price. I quite like it as a curiosity and, to be honest, that's pretty much what all complications are to me. I love mechanical chronos - never use the chrono bit. I almost never bother to set a date, moonphase watches, unless they are quartz, are wasted on me. But I do like stuff moving on a dial

[soundood]

With the same people chipping in for no reason.
Even though they could walk by and never have any of it get on their nerves.
Like the busybodies who try to split fights up in real life and end up getting a punch from both the combatants.

until now, I ignored your stance

but this is un-called for, and if I was one of the combatants in your imaginary fight, I would like to believe that there is someone who would stand up and say something, if not stop it. I am also the person that would step in.

chipping in for no reason? this is a forum, if you fail to understand the medium of fora, then you really should not be here.

umbongo I feel sorry for you, to be this isolated in your life and to be so on the offensive, must be hard, but at this moment, your defensive mode it will also feel powerful,

the thing is I know your not a Troll, so this is conflicting with me,

so I would like you to ask you to stop this, right or wrongly.

you have went into keyboard warrior mode, and it needs to stop.

for what its worth, I have done this many times over the years, on computer forums in the US, and with hindsight I was wrong. but in the moment I thought I was right.

and as a man of 45 I still put my foot in it, but I live and learn.

my advice? don't post in the thread for 48 hrs, after that you wont feel the need to, because it will be history

EDIT: your now the first person in my ignore list for 4 years, congratz

[Michael_Mcr]

Can someone explain what the complication is. Don't have a yacht but presume it's a 10 minute start countdown timer.

Does the bezel turn. If it does, why is that needed? To time 2 starts?

BTW not hard to dislike.

My understanding of yacht timers, is that pretty much all yacht races start with a "countdown" signal being sounded, which then gives the yacht crews a set period of time to get their boat into position sailing toward the start line, which they must not cross before that period of time has elapsed and a second "start" signal sounds.

Thus some of the skill in the race is successfully negotiating the wind direction / current direction and other boats to be positioned just about to cross the start line when the countdown period has ended and the race start signal is sounded.

I could be wrong, as I haven't sailed a boat since school, but that's how I remember it. Thus yacht timer watches have these easy to read at a glance brightly coloured countdown segments.

[Kingstepper]

Thanks to those who've given an explanation of the countdown complication but surely a stopwatch would be more practical - how many sailors actually use this watch as designed.

Imagine not all races are held in calm sunny conditions and how easy is it to operate the bezel + crown in less favourable circumstances? Just doesn't seem very practical on a heaving boat.

Obviously many popular watches have complications that are seldom used but those are often iconic designs (or copies of) and this one seems particularly specialised.

[SimonK]

My understanding of yacht timers, is that pretty much all yacht races start with a "countdown" signal being sounded, which then gives the yacht crews a set period of time to get their boat into position sailing toward the start line, which they must not cross before that period of time has elapsed and a second "start" signal sounds.

Thus some of the skill in the race is successfully negotiating the wind direction / current direction and other boats to be positioned just about to cross the start line when the countdown period has ended and the race start signal is sounded.

I have also been told, though haven't witnessed it for myself, that single-handed racing yachts are simply required to be single-handed on crossing the start line; so in competition there is a full crew on board making sure the yacht gets the best running start possible but as it approaches the start line they all jump overboard leaving just the skipper.

[Umbongo]

until now, I ignored your stance

but this is un-called for, and if I was one of the combatants in your imaginary fight, I would like to believe that there is someone who would stand up and say something, if not stop it. I am also the person that would step in.

chipping in for no reason? this is a forum, if you fail to understand the medium of fora, then you really should not be here.

umbongo I feel sorry for you, to be this isolated in your life and to be so on the offensive, must be hard, but at this moment, your defensive mode it will also feel powerful,

the thing is I know your not a Troll, so this is conflicting with me,

so I would like you to ask you to stop this, right or wrongly.

you have went into keyboard warrior mode, and it needs to stop.

for what its worth, I have done this many times over the years, on computer forums in the US, and with hindsight I was wrong. but in the moment I thought I was right.

and as a man of 45 I still put my foot in it, but I live and learn.

my advice? don't post in the thread for 48 hrs, after that you wont feel the need to, because it will be history

EDIT: your now the first person in my ignore list for 4 years, congratz

That's a lot of typing! He could have just buried his head and put me on the ostrich list in the 1st place and saved himself the bother...