Reply With QuoteNow that truly sounds like a 'Grail' quest.
Good luck with your search, Sir!
I'm on a bit of a fool's errand, but it'd set my mind at rest about a couple of things if I could find out a little more.
My Pa flew Blenheims in WWII and, when I was a kid, gave me his black-faced JLC, telling me it was his watch when he was flying. Sadly, it's disappeared somewhere over the years. Would love to have it back, but doubt I ever will.
Does anyone have a clue which model it might have been? I seem to remember it had a subsidiary seconds dial, a black face and a stainless steel case.
Would love to know and perhaps find another.
Now that truly sounds like a 'Grail' quest.
Good luck with your search, Sir!
Black faced? JLC Mk11 possibly? Wouldn't have been issued in WWII though - 1948 onwards I believe
Thanks for the good luck - I think I'll need it.
But I think this is it:
http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/3182/z22011.jpg
Were these issued or did he buy it himself, I wonder?
That one didn't have a subsiduary seconds dial, the W.W.W. JLC did, but even that one was issued after the war was finished in 1945 ;-)Originally Posted by lewismark
That's a WWW, like the one Geronimo has posted, and would have been Army not RAF, so he would not have had that one whilst flying in the war.
Maybe he got it later, the WWWs were sold off as surplus at some point after the war, or maybe he had a personal watch in the same style.
Also, the JLC WWW has a plated brass case, not stainless, as far as I recall.
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I'm pretty sure there was an earlier ATP model with cathedral hands which might fit the bill. However, of more use, I was down at Headcorn the other week and got a couple of shots of the Blenheim that is recently back in the air:
Fantastic to see one flying again.
Thanks so much for that!
Not sure Pa would have agreed that it's fantastic to see one up again. He always referred to them as 'those bloody flying coffins'!
JLC never produced an ATP to my knowlege.
Cheers
Foggy
In a combat situation certainly. A brilliant aircraft that took thirties technology to the limit, but it went from cutting edge to redundant in about four years. However, outside of combat it is apparently a joy to fly and fantastically evocative to watch.
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The reason I said it was that I thought I had one in one of my collection. What I in fact have is a Moeris ATP and a JLC GSTP which I'd somehow managed to remember as a JLC ATP and a Moeris GSTP. Thanks for pointing out my error.
They're certainly beautiful 'planes. I think they have just wonderful lines. Can imagine they are - if you're not worried about being shot at - delightful to fly. Think Pa spent more time chucking his about the sky as the crew pushed propaganda leaflets out over occupied Holland. The idea was they'd fly over, cut the string on the bundles of leaflets and drop them out. Apparently they were usually too terrified to bother cutting the string...
He's lucky to have survived. The loss rate for those planes in that period was worse than pretty well everything other than torpedo bombers on Malta later in the war. What did he fly for the rest of the war?
It was pretty horrific, wasn't it? He was in Burma later where he was very badly injured, so never flew again. I suspect his experiences out there made him the sort of chap he was.
Not a sub-seconds watch, but it could have been a re-dialled 6B/159.
This is an issued (1942) JLC 6B/159 which has not been molested/re-cased by the MoD which they did in the post war years. No subdial on it.
It was my mother's cousins watch, Johnny Kent(Johnny Kentowski) He flew Hurricanes, commanding 92 Squadron at Biggin Hill and the Polish 303 Squadron at Northholt which escorted Blenheims.
Regards
Gerard
Absolute stunnerThis is an issued (1942) JLC 6B/159 which has not been molested/re-cased by the MoD which they did in the post war years. No subdial on it.
It was my mother's cousins watch, Johnny Kent(Johnny Kentowski) He flew Hurricanes, commanding 92 Squadron at Biggin Hill and the Polish 303 Squadron at Northholt which escorted Blenheims.
Regards
Gerard
they're even better if you get the blued hands to come out ... mine isn't issued, but the movement dates from 1942..
.. even though its a small thing @ c32mm, it wears very well, and keeps very good time ..
Claudio's webpage @ http://6b159draft.blogspot.co.uk/200...lc-6b-159.html has more interesting reading - especially
on some of the redials / case variants.
cheers,
al
Nice JLCs
This one perhaps? Not stainless (coated brass) but to the casual observer it may appear to be steel..
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I have a 1968 catalogue from United Technical Supplies advertising both Navigator's (larger) and Pilot's (smaller) Wristwatches from Jaeger, in black or white dial. All are centre seconds. (£15 and £9 respectively -).
Navigators are screwback (pilot - snapback). ALl stainless, Breguet hairspring.
They were also selling Longines and Omega ones, all bought from the ministry.
I'll do a scan for you later.
Dave
that one has some interesting form. There are some that reckon that there were some of this pattern that hadThis one perhaps? Not stainless (coated brass) but to the casual observer it may appear to be steel..
German military connotation, if the caseback number matches the movement number ... but nobody has ever
confirmed one way or the other ..
al
Yes I read that too somewhere...I did check it when I got it, and doesn't match on mine. Only ever seen a couple which do match!
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