Sad News...

[Chris_in_the_UK]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,, ... 75,00.html

The rot that began in Iraq is continuing - very sad and bad for Pakistan - she only wanted the bst for her country IMHO

[abraxas]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1298475,00.html

The rot that began in Iraq is continuing - very sad and bad for Pakistan - she only wanted the bst for her country IMHO

If I say: I wonder who are going to send in next? ... the thread is going to end up in the pit. :twisted:

I like Mr Bush's statement that Pakistan should honour her with democrasy ... which of course with J.Wayne's signature it all comes into sharp focus.

john

[rfrazier]

Al-Qaida No. 2 Ayman al-Zawahri decried Bhutto's return in a video message this month and called for attacks on all the candidates in the Jan. 8 elections. And according to Bhutto, several Pakistanis arrested in an assassination attempt during her second term in the mid-1990s said they were following Osama bin Laden's orders.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...n3651605.shtml

Backward causation?

Best wishes,
Bob

[J.Wayne]

The nerve of a woman thinking she's the equal of a man!
Those Muslims really know how to keep a woman in her place. You gotta admire 'em for that.

/sarcasm


Totally kidding, just trying to get things started. (on the way to the pit)
Like the new sig John? lol


J.

But it was ok for her to steal millions of $$$$ :wink: :wink:
whatever happens next will be a little interesting!!

[Brian]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1298475,00.html

The rot that began in Iraq is continuing - very sad and bad for Pakistan - she only wanted the bst for her country IMHO

No! No! No! No! It began in 1951 in Pakistan not in Iraq. In 1951 there was the first political assassination of a prime minister(in the same place Rawalpindi Park) and since that it has been the way of Pakistan politics.

Sad indeed but their way is not our way.

:)

B

[Bristolian]

http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,70131-1298475,00.html

The rot that began in Iraq is continuing - very sad and bad for Pakistan - she only wanted the bst for her country IMHO

No! No! No! No! It began in 1951 in Pakistan not in Iraq. In 1951 there was the first political assassination of a prime minister(in the same place Rawalpindi Park) and since that it has been the way of Pakistan politics.

Sad indeed but their way is not our way.

:)

B

I think Spencer Perceval took that 'first' in 1812 since IIRC Bellingham (his assassin) objected to Perceval's government's policies regarding Russia.

We have not had a murder of a PM since - although Maggie came close to it in Brighton, courtesy of the Provos. The most senior politicians to have fallen victim in the UK since are Airey Neave and Ian Gow.

Ironically in both cases they were murdered in the name of causes that would probably have benefited much more by their staying alive: both men were renowned as free thinkers who would have been strong supporters of a political settlement in N Ireland.

I wonder who, if anyone, really stands to gain from Benazir Bhutto's death ?


David

[colin]

She was a corrupt socialist who was fired twice.

Not that I would, for even a second, suggest that she deserved to be shot and blown up, but she was far from the whiter-than-white saviour that everyone was making her out to be.

[Chris_in_the_UK]

She was a corrupt socialist who was fired twice.

Not that I would, for even a second, suggest that she deserved to be shot and blown up, but she was far from the whiter-than-white saviour that everyone was making her out to be.

TBH - my original post was mindfull of this and other comments.

I would not even suggest 'best of a bad lot' since there are many, many issues in this one.

Bottom line - Pakistan is in the midst of the constant turmoil it has (enjoyed?) endured for years - the crap in Iraq is ongoing without (IMO) a decent end in sight - not a good start for 08...............

[A.Pottinger]

She was indeed ousted and exiled on account of her corruption, as was her father.

She held little prospect of taking power, and was making many of the supposed agreements for power sharing up, in order to court western media attention-which was her strongest suit and hand.

The attention from western powers has been in regard to the pressure, through her, or her persona that could be brought on policies and on the Musharraf government, as well as other more direct means. As such, she was a tool for the US govt, where she enjoyed disproportinate coverage to her political importance.

Inextricably liniked was the representation of western values she unmistakably, if not shallowly, featured, such as being a woman, talking in a way that the US in particular liked, and her promises which bore pressure on Musharraf's regime in negotiations over funding, and assistance, which are absolutely essetial to maintaining order.

It's not all al quaida. All these fundametalist groups have been around since well before them. Osama tool charge over the unmbrella org. in Pakistan in the 90's-it is he who did not create them, rather a new formation, rather loose and that,and the west (sic the US's) response which gave them disproportinate converage, fame and importance to recruit.

Pakistan is not about to fall apart. It is being rocked by those who ish to break musharraf's order, and for the forseeable, he is the only one who can begin and is indeed cracking down on the fundametalists, for whom he has no time.

Best wishes,
AP.

[GraniteQuarry]

She was indeed ousted and exiled on account of her corruption, as was her father.

She held little prospect of taking power, and was making many of the supposed agreements for power sharing up, in order to court western media attention-which was her strongest suit and hand.

The attention from western powers has been in regard to the pressure, through her, or her persona that could be brought on policies and on the Musharraf government, as well as other more direct means. As such, she was a tool for the US govt, where she enjoyed disproportinate coverage to her political importance.

Inextricably liniked was the representation of western values she unmistakably, if not shallowly, featured, such as being a woman, talking in a way that the US in particular liked, and her promises which bore pressure on Musharraf's regime in negotiations over funding, and assistance, which are absolutely essetial to maintaining order.

It's not all al quaida. All these fundametalist groups have been around since well before them. Osama tool charge over the unmbrella org. in Pakistan in the 90's-it is he who did not create them, rather a new formation, rather loose and that,and the west (sic the US's) response which gave them disproportinate converage, fame and importance to recruit.

Pakistan is not about to fall apart. It is being rocked by those who ish to break musharraf's order, and for the forseeable, he is the only one who can begin and is indeed cracking down on the fundametalists, for whom he has no time.

Best wishes,
AP.

Fair and sound synopsis :wink:

D.

[Chris_in_the_UK]

She was indeed ousted and exiled on account of her corruption, as was her father.

She held little prospect of taking power, and was making many of the supposed agreements for power sharing up, in order to court western media attention-which was her strongest suit and hand.

The attention from western powers has been in regard to the pressure, through her, or her persona that could be brought on policies and on the Musharraf government, as well as other more direct means. As such, she was a tool for the US govt, where she enjoyed disproportinate coverage to her political importance.

Inextricably liniked was the representation of western values she unmistakably, if not shallowly, featured, such as being a woman, talking in a way that the US in particular liked, and her promises which bore pressure on Musharraf's regime in negotiations over funding, and assistance, which are absolutely essetial to maintaining order.

It's not all al quaida. All these fundametalist groups have been around since well before them. Osama tool charge over the unmbrella org. in Pakistan in the 90's-it is he who did not create them, rather a new formation, rather loose and that,and the west (sic the US's) response which gave them disproportinate converage, fame and importance to recruit.

Pakistan is not about to fall apart. It is being rocked by those who ish to break musharraf's order, and for the forseeable, he is the only one who can begin and is indeed cracking down on the fundametalists, for whom he has no time.

Best wishes,
AP.

Fair and sound synopsis :wink:

D.

Indeed......