Reply With QuoteOMG! WTF? I don't know what to say about this. I'm still reading, but I will post my full thoughts after I've had time to digest this crap.
Check this out...
Apparently, Alice has her panties wadded so tight so doesn?t not know of what she speaks...or she is afraid of losing her commision...
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/0/0 ... 095993.htm
OMG! WTF? I don't know what to say about this. I'm still reading, but I will post my full thoughts after I've had time to digest this crap.
You do not need to digest, just..
Wow, what a load of crap. Who would post something like that? I notice that you can post rebuttals. I may take some time to figure out exactly what to say, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to have something to say.
That is one of the biggest piles of...
Dave E
Skating away on the thin ice of a new day
I am working on what to say as we speak as the forums she talks about do have sales boards but per say not sales oriented themselves, or responsible watchmakers such as Eddie sponsor them.
She says she is in the ?industry? meaning she obviously in sales, and the internet has hurt retail sales, but it is better, for the consumer, especially here in the US as interstate is tax-free.
I actually purchase from other stores in other stares, but it saves me taxes. I went into a dealership here in my hometown, and found another Rolex I wanted, but they wouldn?t give me a discount, and I would have to pay the 8% tax, I know it is not as bad as the UK?s VAT, but the price for things there are included. So, I asked them to ship it out of state to save the nearly $3,000.00 in taxes. She said she could not?she lost a sale.
People need to learn how to adapt, and I this woman problem is she is not adapting well.
An imbalanced article. It is more or less certain, as she states herself she is in the industry, that there is an agenda. All the more when one reads it.
It's quite simply a diatribe.
Best wishes,
AP.
I note Eddie's site didn't make into the lists she spouted :roll:
Don't know if that's good or bad :scratch:
I think this has come up before and I believe it was deduced that "Allison" was Terry Allison stirring the pot.
Ah, now that rings a bell!Originally Posted by Grath
Dave E
Skating away on the thin ice of a new day
I think that the rebuttal comments already posted sum up the general feeling to this load of cr*p from 2004!
Someone should sue her...
Allison,
You say you are in the ?industry?. I can only assume you are in sales.
My one question (several parts) to you is the following?and I would like a fully detailed explanation of why you consider these ?companies? such as the following to be companies, there are in fact watch enthusiast message boards. Sure, they have sales corners?mostly for pre-owned watches. Moreover, they are closely monitored by those in the watch community themselves as we police up after each other.
1. http://www.timezone.com
2. http://www.equationoftime.com
3. http://www.watchuseek.com
4. http://www.watchnet.com
5. http://www.tz-uk.com
6. http://www.thepurists.com
Part 2, to question 1...is have you actually logged onto these sites? I do not think you have, because if you did you would have learned the following, just about sales alone.
1. http://www.timezone.com is officially sponsored by http://www.armstrongrockwell.com, an authorized dealer for all the watches he sells, I personally know Al, and he is a true distinguished gentleman, and would never defraud anyone. There are also several other Official Authorized Dealers who sponsor TZ?to many to list?again all official AD?s.
2. http://www.tz-uk.com is sponsored by http://www.timefactors.com, which is owned by Eddie Platts, another distinguished gentleman, who is a large-scale watch manufacturer, and is also well respected.
3. http://www.watchuseek.com is owned by Ernie Roamers, who is an authorized dealer for the watches he sells. In addition, it is the official forum of Ocean 7 Watch Company, DOXA, and several watch manufacturers. I know Mitch Feig owner of Ocean 7 Watch Company, and he too is another distinguished Gentleman, he sponsors the site as well as DOXA and the other Manufacturers, so people can freely talk about watches.
4. http://www.thepurists.com is an excellent site for watches over the $10,000.00 range, and has no sponsors, it is privately owned. There is no agenda, and all watches purchased or sold are pre-owned by private sellers.
5. http://www.watchnet.com is another great site to talk about watches, it is also the site that you go to for references on someone selling a pre-owned watch, and it too, is sponsored by Official Authorized Dealers.
Part 3, to question I what is this about purchasing can only be done through a brick and mortar store.
I have purchased many watches through AFFES online, http://www.aafes.com , and they are Authorized Dealers for all the brands they carry, yet they have no brick and mortar store. Before you make any comments, I suggest you go to the site, and read they are Department of Defense Owned, and the items sold through AAFES can only be purchased by Active Duty Military, Retires, and Reservists during active time, select DOD Personnel, and their family members with ID Cards.
You mention http://www.watchbuys.com located in my home state of NC, and I know the owner well. He is an Authorized Dealer for all the watches he sells, and his most Popular Seller is SINN Watches, of which he is the only dealer in the US.
http://www.tourneau.com is an authorized dealer for they watches they sell (they are also the worlds largest). As well as several others, you have mentioned.
All you have accomplished with your diatribe is sully the reputation of many fine companies, and many fine men and woman?and left yourself open to slurry of lawsuits for defamation of character, potential loss of business, and a mulititude of other libelous offenses.
Again, back to you are in the ?industry?, I can only gather that you are in sales, and these Authorized Dealers, and Watch Message Boards have hurt your sales, as one...you can now purchase interstate with no taxes, and two, we can get a much better deal buying from them directly from other sources. Which only goes back to you losing money, and hence the tirade.
If anyone needs to be warned against from dealing with, it would be you. You are doing noting but perpetuating lies?for you own self-gain.
Written by a highly educated watch enthusiast and purchaser.
John Vargas
Actually, at the top in red it does say TZ-UK.
Ho hum,IMO not worthy of a comment.
However good comeback John.
Martin
I FEEL LIKE I'M DIAGONALLY PARKED IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE
I wish he'd stop shouting ...
john
Every watch a story.
That's been around for a few years, and it's not getting any saner. Nice retort, John V., but I think you're being reasonable with unreasonable people! :?
I see that Proworth is in "the list"! :cheers: :lol: Anyone here has dealt with them before? If so, how did it all went? Thanks!
I bought from Proworth about six years ago. Then my mom bought from Proworth. The watch she bought wasn't in the box when she got home. They replaced it for free.
It's definitely Allison, as some of the sites mentioned were connected to him. One of them (I think it was timebeat.com, but I'm not sure) posed as an online retailer of luxury watches. To fool people into thinking they were legitimate, they showed a couple of Breitlings and similar brands at ridiculously high prices (over retail) so that people wouldn't buy them, and large "discounts" on Montres Allison and related brands.
It's a common Allison tactic to draw attention to his crap by issuing controversial statements that namedrop reputable names together with his, eg the "All Swiss watches are made in China" one, where Montres Allison was mentioned together with Patek Philippe, Franck Muller, etc...
Your rebuttal isn't showing for me on the Ripoff Report site John.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
Eddie,
I resubmitted my rebuttal again, according to the site iw as supposed to be up after midnight Pacfic Time..
They even edit the rebuttal its a joke, welcome to South Korea.
I can't see John's rebuttal, edited or not.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
"Counterfeits are being sold be* these companies"
Were your Dreadnoughts the genuine items, Eddie? :lol:
* author's spelling, not mine!
Honestly can't see why anyone's taking this thing seriously. Look at the date the "report" was submitted: 2004. Probably back then it referred to various sites selling replicas etc. And now someone has clumsily edited it to include all the well-known watch forums, purely to make a little mischief.
Badly written, inconsequential and almost completely meaningless, the piece is about as worth responding to as an email from a stranger in Nigeria, promising to make you a millionaire.
No rebuttal required; the article rebuts itself with its own silliness.
Did not realize this was so old. Still very strange and angering. As old as this is, and since it's complete rubbish, why can't it be removed?
John,
In North Carolina, you are supposed to declare all out-of-state purchases on your tax return and pay the State of NC a Consumer Use Tax.
Most states have similar rules for out-of-state purchases.The use tax is calculated at the same rate as the sales tax, which for 2007, was 6.75% in all counties except Mecklenburg. In Mecklenburg County, the rate was 7.25%. If you paid another state?s sales or use tax on out-of-state purchases, that amount may be credited against the North Carolina use tax due. You may not claim a credit for sales tax or value-added tax paid to another country.
Just so you know...
The good old out of state "use tax"...which is a hard law to enforce.
For example, here in FLA, the state wide out of state "use tax" is 6%. This is odd as in my county the tax rate is 8%. You can file it quarterly or for each purchase, unless the tax rate is less than a $1.00.
Now the way the statues read here in FLA is if you intend on using said item out of state...you do not have ti pay the tax.
Then there is the military clause. If you are active duty, purchase it while on reserve status, live in a military reservation, or are retired you might not have to pay the tax. Of course, they want you to go online, and submit your information to see if you have to pay the tax.
Also, here is the real kicker to the clause, if you buy online regularly such as ebay, then FLA might require (statues states you should voluntarily) registry yourself.
This is where it gets tricky, you will end up having to pay the standard tax, and then in top of it the ?use tax?. They would like all frequent purchasers to register with the state.
One you register with the state then they go back for a total of three years and look at all your purchases, and then asses the local tax, 8% in my case, plus the 6% state ?use tax?.
Since it is voluntary, who in their right mind would do it?
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