Remember the "Ploprof" the guy claimed to have found when: "SORTING THROUGH MY FATHER BELONGINGS"?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... 0203490758
Well, I've been checking the guy's feedback to see what the buyer had to say about the transaction. I'm pretty sure the recently posted negative feedback of:
Expert quote- "it is a poor copy that would not deceive a specialist collector"
refers to this watch. I was 99% certain there was something very wrong with that auction when I first read the text and saw the title and the 1% doubt disappeared for me as people tried to contact the guy and got strange responses. Here's the guys feedback:
http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI ... =bowhisper
I, for one, am glad I left that one well alone. :wink:
Wow, if it is a fake, and like you, I'm pretty convinced it is, then the buyer blew nearly £4K.
Looking at the ad, it's difficult to see whether the buyer has any legal remedy. The watch was well described, and a jury might well find it difficult to prove any deception.
I bet he moved the profit out of his PP account PDQ :shock:
The watch looks genuine to me, no tell tale casting marks between the lugs, the dial seems to have aged as I would expect, as has the bezel...maybe i'm wrong but it looks an awful lot like my old one before I sent it away for spa treatment.
Sanjay
Well, if the person who left the feedback is indeed the buyer of the "Ploprof" then he's located in the US. I've just sent him a note and asked about the transaction in question. If he replies and gives me permission to post his reply, I'll do so.
A wonderfully understated description not alluding to the watch being genuine,low feedback and some iffy photography and somebody spends £3.5K . :shock:
The buyer has not got a leg to stand IMO
Should have spent the money on a brain transplant.
Martin
I FEEL LIKE I'M DIAGONALLY PARKED IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE
What I don't get is why you bid that much on a watch which is not in the greatest of condition. £3500 is nearly $7000 and you can get a pretty nice example for that price.
More money than sense - probably got carried away with the bidding!!Originally Posted by mart broad
[quote=doug darter]More money than sense - probably got carried away with the bidding!![/quote:2r2cuu0k]
Easily done Doug....
Sanjay
[quote=sparmar1]Easily done Doug....More money than sense - probably got carried away with the bidding!!
Sanjay[/quote:m7onoyoj]
:shock: :shock: Sanjay, tell me it wasn't you :shock:
Wow, what a shame.
On a similar note, I hope he thinks twice about bidding on bay item 220208846014
>"I have taken it to a local watchmaker who took the back off and has told me that this has an original Omega movement, crown, hands and case. He is not sure about the face as he thinks it has been replaced with a non-genuine omega part at some point."
I'm pretty sure about the face being a fake :evil:, but not sure if the hands are fake as well. Any opinions?
[quote=sparmar1]Easily done Doug....More money than sense - probably got carried away with the bidding!!
Sanjay[/quote:3phmvkut]
Really hope that wasn't you, mate. :cry:
The guy needs to have it checked and authenticated by Omega. If it'a a fake then he complains to ebay to try and get his money refunded. Is there a problem with doing this? I know the seller was careful with the description but the title clearly says "Omega".
Cheers
Neil :wink:
I'm not so sure that feedback is referring to this watch. If you look through the feedback history of the buyer who left that comment it is almost all WWII memorabillia. There's nothing to conclude fro the comment that it was the watch he was referring to, and the seller was selling other items too.
From the pictures I can't see anything that makes me think the watch is fake. I might be wrong (have been before :) ) but it looks ok to me from the pictures on the listing
Rich
Not me guys! I have done that kind of thing before though on the 'bay...
Sanjay :)
I agree mate the face is a fake,you can see the stubbies (second markers) at the side of the quarter hour markers, they shouldnt be there. cant remember exactly but am sure the Luminescent on the hands should be the same colour as the hour markers.
gary
Yep, I agree. That's why I emailed the buyer who left that comment to ask if it referred to the watch and not something else. Hopefully he'll reply and let us know.I'm not so sure that feedback is referring to this watch. If you look through the feedback history of the buyer who left that comment it is almost all WWII memorabillia. There's nothing to conclude fro the comment that it was the watch he was referring to, and the seller was selling other items too.
From the pictures I can't see anything that makes me think the watch is fake. I might be wrong (have been before :) ) but it looks ok to me from the pictures on the listing
Rich
Tritium if exposed to water goes this brown-ish colour...the dial looks authentic as do the hands....if anyone wants to see pics of my old type 1 dial then please feel free to email me : sparmar1@hotmail.com
Sanjay :)
The dial is fake (stubbies and closed loops on the numerals). The hands are fake (ball lume on the second hand). The bezel looks like a no-lume copy. The movement number appears to be 595, but should be 552. I believe the model number in the caseback (166024) is for the date version.
If that dial's a fake then this must be fake too, eh?
This one too?
Bezel insert has a few differences, too. Thicker triangle at 12.
My fake dial comments (and I think all the others) are referring to a SM300, eBay item number 220208846014.
Regarding the Ploprof linked in the OP, all components are real: case, dial, hands, bezel, etc.
The bezel was likely replaced sometime during it's life since it's of a newer generation than the dial, but obviously it is worn enough to have been there for a while.
BTW, the Type 1 above is my photo of my watch and I can assure you it is real. Neither can Bienne tell you if a watch is real or not, as we all witnessed during Omegamania last year. They can verify the movement, that's it.
I had asked the seller about this watch while the auction was active so its interesting that the seller contacted me after the auction ended asking if I wanted to buy it for 3k ( pounds ) as he he said the winning bidder was having trouble making payment lol
Needless to say I declined .
Regards
Mark
Since I own and have restored Ploprofs, it looks correct. Bezel, dial, hands, case and aging are all correct. The red bezel release button has signs of exposure which align with the dial patina. As for the dial looking funny with dots on the outside of the minutere marks, I see the rubber gasket and only see something at 9:00 position that could be dust or a reflection. You can see from my picture below, the rubber gasket can throw a refelction.
That dial will command a higher price since it is an early version. The story is a bit fishy, but the pictures don't raise any red flags with me.
DaveB
Well, I got a reply from the buyer who left that feedback and it seems it was left for another item costing $800 and not the Ploprof. Seems by what Mark wrote that the sale of the Ploprof fell through.
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