Reply With QuoteI think its very very sad :( 19 bids allready...
Somebody just mentioned this in a Swiss-forum:
http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?...MEWA:IT&ih=014
Edit - pics added:
Certainly not what was intended with a "hommage"?
What do you think?
Cheerio, Frank
I think its very very sad :( 19 bids allready...
His comparison photo even has a different coloured date wheel- pretty bad stuff, such a shame that these sell
Well it's certainly fake, and that does look very like a PRS-50 case. Shocking.
Report it?
Respect the past, live the present, protect the future
Why is this a PRS-50 case? From what I read, it has fake BP markings on the back and the PRS-50 caseback is too deeply engraved for it to be polished off.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
Possibly a doctored PRS-50 LE, looks a very profitable business if it is.
Very sad.
He would have to have fitted a new movement or rotor as well.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
The lume is a bit of a giveaway as well, can we get a tester to go out and lick it to see if it is radium :lol:
Eddie, just changed the title. But it looks like somebody used the case, no?
Would a new case-back (apart from the handsome engraving :twisted: ) and a new rotor be very expensive?
Cheerio, Frank
Ha, now I know, Eddie, why the dial-maker for the SBIII is so unreliable:
Busy printing Fathom-dials? :twisted:
Cheerio, Frank
If you look at the rotor, the engraving is something that I believe would have been done on a larger scale than just a single movement, it's just too much work for a one-off watch. I've seen these and similar ones popping up on eBay for a couple of years now, usually claiming that they are NOS and the original domed acrylic has been replaced. Whoever is doing it seems to have had quite a few made.Originally Posted by walkuere
Nice little earner if you can get away with it.
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
i hope you lot are correct... :wink:
ive just reported it as a fake :roll:
well i hope so it was all in german :lol:
It certainly looks like Eddie's bezel and case to me, just had the Timefactors images side by side with these.
Eddie, have you had anyone buying the 50 in multiples?
It has a AS2063 movement, as found in the LE version. Are these a straight fit into the non-LE case?
No, there's a difference in height between the movements.It has a AS2063 movement, as found in the LE version. Are these a straight fit into the non-LE case?
Correct, some modification has to be made to the movement holder where the stem goes through. I repeat what I said earlier though, if someone has gone to the trouble to engrave the rotor like that, it's unlikely that they've only made one.No, there's a difference in height between the movements.It has a AS2063 movement, as found in the LE version. Are these a straight fit into the non-LE case?
No, I haven't sold them in batches of 50 (or even two for that matter) :( .
Eddie
Whole chunks of my life come under the heading "it seemed like a good idea at the time".
Does that mean this guy could be buying the case off your supplier? Wouldn't be on if you've forked out for the tooling.
Does that mean this guy could be buying the case off your supplier? Wouldn't be on if you've forked out for the tooling.
Getting cases copied in China is probably way cheaper than using Fricker...
The bezel on the fake looks different to me - the triangle at the top looks bigger, as do the 5 minute markers. They touch the edge of the bezel. Eddies looks a bit more like the original fifty fathoms bezel, with a smaller triangle, etc. :)
These Trias FF were around long before the PRS-50 ... and if you ask me (and I am totally talking out of my butt here) perhaps one of them was used in the scanning of the PRS-50.Does that mean this guy could be buying the case off your supplier? Wouldn't be on if you've forked out for the tooling.
TRIAS website sells fake fifty fathoms
http://www.mwrforum.net/forums/showthread.php?t=6395
I doubt that the quality of the construction of the Trias is anywhere near the PRS-50's. You can tell from the dial. I actually put my money where my mouth is and bought a PRS-50. If there were any issues, you would have known by now.
john
Every watch a story.
First - I highly doubt the fake has a screwed in 4 mm thick glass cystal, sapphire or otherwise. Further the space between the crystal and the dial (as guess-timated by the rehaut is much more than the PRS-50.
Second - the AS and the ETA are dimensionally compatible.
Third - Anyone with a ability to make a engineering drawing, a set of calipers, and a sample watch can make an exact replica of any case, even someone in China or Vietnam. Why does everyone always assume these things are frankens or bits and pieces, these people are very capable of making very well finished fakes, at least until you hold one, then the short-cuts in production show.
Thanks for the information! Sounds plausible!
Cheerio, Frank
Yep. I have been playing around with some AS 2063s and the movement holders are compatible with the 2824s. The AS 2063 is just a tad taller than the 2824 though, but just by less than half a milimeter....
As pointed out by Eddie above, these fake military BP50s started showing up years before the PRS-50 make its debut.
I actually asked the seller some questions:
Hello.
Why was the crystal changed? Why is the date-wheel black-on-white? Why are the hands coated with Superluminova?
With kind regards
and that is his response:
HI
I HAVE CHANGED THE CHRYSTAL WITH SAPHIRE BECAUSE THE PLEXI GLASS WAS ALWAYS SCRATCHING AND IT WAS THE SAME PRICE.
THE HANDS ARE AS I PURCHASED THE WATCH .THERE WATHES WERE MANY PRODUCED UNTIL 1980IES SOME OF THEM HAS BLACK AND WHITE DATE AND SOME WITH RED
BEST REGARDS
S.GEZ
Well, think your part ;)
Cheerio, Frank
I've seen these before, and as Eddie states in the description of the PRS-50; it is much more likely you'll find a franken, or outright fake when trying to buy this type of vintage classic. It is the same case with all of the classic (red, double red, comex, no crown guard etc) submariners and seadwellers IMO.
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