Roy Keane
"Man United lack creativity in the middle of the park"
Man United midfield today
Fred, Matic, Pogba, Bruno, Greenwood
Cracking win today for Spurs. Kane coming on, is he off or not?
Can't see levy risking 150m Kane if he was off to City this week? Personally hope he's staying and for me ,it's now to late to bring in a quality replacement
Watford next.
Moved my allegiance from Arsenal to Southampton after the whole European Super League fiasco and that was a good point today.
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I thought ManU were dreadful today.
Fred, Pogba, Bruno & Greenwood spent more time moaning at Pawson than playing football. It's difficult to be creative when your prime objective is to 'game' the ref. The Saints were pretty limited & ManU should have had plenty to see them off, IMHO.
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Jim.
After all these years and with that amount of quality in the midfield surely questions should be asked of the manager instead of putting it all on the players?
On a different note Arsenal are awful today! I used to enjoy watching an Arsenal game but do they actually have a defence out today?
Put it this way - if your partner cheated on you wouldn't it be stupid to carry on with them? That's kind of what those teams did when they went down the Super League path. IMHO anyway, I appreciate everyone is different and I wasn't exactly a die hard supporter.
Anyway Saints were always my local Prem Team from where I grew up in the UK (Poole and that was before Bournemouth got into the Prem) and it's not exactly as if I've changed allegiances for glory hunting reasons! :)
That is quite funny, no offence intended. I’ve never heard of an adult fan changing clubs. I ‘chose’ Arsenal when I was 5, most of my class chose Chelsea as it was the Peter Osgood era.
If I changed clubs, my marriage would be over anyway. My wife’s family have been Gooners since they were Woolwich Arsenal, as her grandmother worked at the munitions factory.
You might get more out of football if you treated your club like a spouse, for better or worse etc., rather than stock-picking.
Yes, I was the same kind of age when I "inherited" Spurs. I started going with my Dad when I was 10, and have fond memories of eating jellied eels and cockles outside the ground around that time.
I could as much change my allegiances now as I could change my gender. In fact, it was unthinkable even back then, let alone after half a decade of watching them.
Let’s face it…. You don’t ‘choose’ to support Leicester - glad they were given to me though!
It’d be like divorcing your parents…
Spot on, most of my family are gooners. We lived in north London, Started going at 8 with my mates. 44 years later ,still think being Spurs was the right decision.
Still meet up with mates I've had for 30+ years down Spurs, it's more then watching 90 mins of **** football now days.
That's an interesting one in so far as a football club is often a mark of identity for supporters. I'm not knocking that but I've never felt a sense of identity with any club (or if I'm honest any country or city). I tend to watch football in the same way I watch rugby - want a good game and cheer my team on but it doesn't ruin my day if the team loses (ok I was pretty cut up after England lost the RWC final but that wasn't any ordinary game).
I actually moved away from supporting Liverpool as a child after Heysel. That was the move. Since then I'll be honest that I've felt a bit of hostility towards Liverpool as I feel that club's actions have cost English teams like West Ham etc a place in Europe. Thats not a tribal thing, just my interpretation of the aura around that club. But I've never had any hate towards Spurs even as an Arsenal fan - I have been cheesed off by the actions of Chelsea fans but I appreciate that is a minority.
But back on topic, the notion of supporting a club as an identity isn't something I've had yet. And it seems specific to football - I doubt any Harlequin fans or Hampshire County Cricket club have the same outlook
But you're placing the blame on the club/players for what happened at Heysel. And costing teams like West Ham a place in Europe? That was in 1985 when the two best teams in England were Liverpool and Everton, and then Aresenal in the late 80s, right to when the ban was lifted in 1990. Fair enough if you don't like Liverpool fans but you can't blame the club or players for what happened.
As a Liverpool fan from the late 70s I could never imagine dropping them for any other club, no matter what stupidity the owners got up to or some of the idiotic fans. Supporting a football team comes from the heart once you've made your choice.
I appreciate young children’s allegiance can change (I think I had both a Kevin Keegan Liverpool shirt and a Malcolm McDonald Newcastle shirt as a glory hunting 7 year old).
But not as an adult - by then we’ have made our bed for better or worse.
This is something I can’not get my head around with NFL franchises - no wonder Los Angeles has so many counsellors and therapists
As an Everton season ticket holder at the time that was a bitter pill to swallow. Having won the league and the European Cup winners cup beating Bayern Munich in the semis we were one of the best teams in Europe at that time and would have stood a good chance of doing well in the European cup.
You take the rough with the smooth, I went to 3 FA cup finals on the trot and saw them lift the cup in ‘84 against Watford. I saw them presented with the League at Goodson and I saw them win at Anfield. The 85/86 season I went to 44 games going to all FA cup away games and many away league games and I today still blame Gary Lineker for costing us the double. In 84/85 most of the midfield scored 10 to 15 goals each when we won the league, as soon as Lineker arrived it was pass the ball to him and although he got close to 40 goals everyone else’s stats dropped off. To prove my point, he left and we won the league the following season.
I stopped going around that time, but still support them to this day even though we haven’t won anything for over 25 years. Most Blues are still in the let’s get to 40 points first mindset then let’s see where we can go from there.
I don't mind football at all. What I don't like is mouthy bellends like you gobbing off about your team like they're the best thing since sliced bread then saying you'd knob off your support and watch Sunday league like you did above.
Come back and talk when you've won the Champions League......
Come back and talk when you’ve won the Champions League ?
Are you 6 ?
And , for context , which you always happen to miss out , I said ,and I stand by it, if the club had joined the SuperLeague I wouldn’t have gone back . Is there a bit in there that you struggle to grasp ?
This is what supporting a football club means to a lot of people.
“What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It’s not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It’s the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. It’s a small boy clambering up stadium steps for the very first time, gripping his father’s hand, gawping at that hallowed stretch of turf beneath him and, without being able to do a thing about it, falling in love.”
The words of the late, great, Sir Bobby Robson.
The London Stadium was absolutely buzzing last night. Best atmosphere I've ever seen there I think and a fabulous performance.
It does underline how desperately we need some cover for Antonio though. His hamstrings won't last a season and at the moment we've got more goalkeepers than strikers.
Superb by the irons and good to see them doing what my team should have done the the Arsenal on Sunday win but win big really emphasise your superiority.Antonio was magnificent.
I FEEL LIKE I'M DIAGONALLY PARKED IN A PARALLEL UNIVERSE
Well done hammers…. Arses handed to us on a plate
You were better…. Much better
Our defence is in complete crisis with injuries (doesn’t just happen to Liverpool ya know!), but, one of our best players was a centre back so our issues ran much deeper last night