Reply With QuoteYOU'LL BE HEARING FROM MY LEGAL TEAM.Originally Posted by M1011
Yes, indeed. It's a situation that any of us here could find ourselves in through no fault of our own. In fact I recall it's not the first time that questions of title have been an issue for members of this forum.
YOU'LL BE HEARING FROM MY LEGAL TEAM.
That escalated
Just as soon as I can get it started...
(for the avoidance of doubt, I don't think your Rolex situation is a laughing matter)
Wow, I felt very sorry when I read the original post but after reading the whole thread, I am not so sure.
Please do let us know how you get on and the outcome though!
These sort of situations are a watch enthusiasts worst nightmare so I think that your experiences would definitely help to give everyone that extra pause for thought when buying pre-owned, just to make sure they’ve got all of their t’s crossed and I’s dotted.
I was close to buying a pre-owned Rolex from a local specialist vintage watch dealer but these sort of risks always worry me. Especially when talking about Rolexes.
It sounds like there’s almost no way to truly ever avoid it though, if OP had both box and papers from Goldsmiths.
It sounds like, even if there has been a fraudulent claim, Goldsmiths can't fight it without having the necessary records.
Sounds like the OP has the necessary records to prove he bought what is currently considered a stolen watch.
Unless that position changes, it would seem the only losers will be Goldsmiths?
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And the OP if Goldsmiths only give him back what he paid 11 years ago?
Good point. I'd imagine it would have to be inflationary adjusted but that's a fraction of the value. Dreadful situation.
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Well I never expected that......
.....a namecheck for Fred Dibnah. God bless his soul.
I know what you mean but in fairness a lot of advice was proffered without actually considering that the watch was "acquired" four years before the theft was reported, not after.
This is why I bought my Sub from... Haywood Milton. Superb service, and it was a bloody good price, too.
Ditto, only in my case it was an Explorer II.
It’s unfortunate for the OP and a situation many of us could find ourselves in however careful we are.
His annoyance is no excuse for his outburst though; not liking what is being said doesn’t alter the fact that it may never have been his watch in the first place.
Just making sure it is understood that the OP has a history of racist remarks and has also insulted HM in another thread years ago.
It couldn't have happened to a nicer person. Sad.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
Literal mods* and Fred Dibnah. You don't get that on WUS.
* Fix that panel on the Vespa though. Sets my teeth right on edge, that does. As for the bump start, he's either left his petcock off or the plug's fouled.
Well, this thread has done wonders for your image OP. Nicely done. That said, you have my sympathies for the unfortunate situation in which you find yourself with the Sub (through no fault of your own).
Oh, well played Sir !
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If you are interested, I could offer you very favourable terms?
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
I cant be the only one to have read the thread and rapidly gone from sympathy to not giving a rats if its returned or not.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke.
How many people keep their watch in a "safe place" and only look at them once in a blue moon here? and we are watch enthusiasts.
I find it completely believable that a watch can be "forgotten about" (like a dress watch that you only wear for weddings and funerals) and the theft being discovered several years after the actual event.
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
That panel probably received a swift kick from a big heavy Rockers boot
It would be better than getting nothing back at all and at least he would get back what he had put in to start.
To be fair, he has had 11 years of use/wear out of it.
Best Regards - Peter
I'd hate to be with you when you're on your own.
you are under the impression this is a moderated forum?
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How do you actually prove title to a watch you have bought used from a dealer?
Probably wise to go elsewhere.
R
Last edited by ralphy; 22nd March 2022 at 16:46.
Ignorance breeds Fear. Fear breeds Hatred. Hatred breeds Ignorance. Break the chain.
Probably wise to go elsewhere.
R
I'd say so, a cesspit is no place to be in.....
Got a new watch, divers watch it is, had to drown the bastard to get it!
It's a (potential) problem that is not unique to watches.
It applies to almost anything bought from anywhere: A receipt/invoice only proves you paid for it, not that you necessarily received good title to it. If the question is ever raised (and mostly it's not of course) then it's a matter of the vendor being able to prove good title, and the vendor's vendor, and so on.
I suppose: Buy the seller, as the saying goes.
Are you conferring upon yourself the equivalent rarified status of Fred Dibnah? I've heard it all now. Shame on you.
There’s a missed opportunity. The BBC could have done a documentary on Fred Dibnah servicing a Rolex in a Blacksmiths yard
I understood that pre-owned watch sellers carry 'Defective Title Insurance' - would this be something the OP could claim against? Or does the retailer claim against it and then refund the seller from the settlement?
(And agree with the previous comments, couldn't have happened to a nicer guy).
He was a broadly down to earth and plain-speaking chap who was competent in his own field, which was relevant to the point being made --- and made with tongue in cheek.Are you conferring upon yourself the equivalent rarified status of Fred Dibnah? I've heard it all now. Shame on you.
I'd aspire to that, nothing greater. Dibnah had his failings, as do I.
Last edited by Haywood_Milton; 22nd March 2022 at 17:42.
Yeah, you keep upsetting poor Nick h!
And todays useful nugget of information, did you know that under the rules of “Marche Ouvert” of which Bermondsey market is the best known London example, title for stolen goods transferred to the buyer if sold between sun up and sun down, that is until 1995 when the law was changed ..
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Last edited by joe narvey; 22nd March 2022 at 17:51.
No. You're not. Having benefitted from Haywoods advice, and yours btw, in the past I can't believe someone would be so nasty to someone offering free advice. A big part of this forum is members willingness to help others with their knowledge for free. Ignore the advice you receive by all means, but why take that attitude?
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Maybe, just maybe, the OP is the ‘Walt’ here and trolling just for fun - just saying, as you do (before the mods close the thread)
A strange thread, I`m not sure what the OP was hoping for when he posted.
Why take on such a belligerent tone when presented with an interpretation of reality that didn`t suit him? If I was in his shoes I'd be v. frustrated but that certainly doesn`t justify his response.
What an awful situation for the OP, must be frustrating but to throw the quality and free of charge advice back like that is extremely short-sighted. My sympathy has gone…
I know it’s a pain in the arse but having bought it from a major retailer like goldsmiths I’m sure you will get your money back unlike if you bought it from gumtree anyway I’m sure goldsmiths won’t want a reputation for selling stolen watches
Nasty Nick.
David
Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations
It does make you wonder just how many watches are out there that have been through a few hands over the years and could easily have been reported stolen years after being first sold.
Yeah I suspect quite a few people send ‘their’ watch for a service and get a nasty shock. I doubt many people would knowingly send a lost/stolen watch to Rolex so pretty much every one will be a victim of some sort. I’d love to know the stats that Rolex hold on this but there’s zero chance of them ever sharing those!
If HM is still following this thread I wonder where this scenario leaves dealers who do all the relevant watch register checks. They could be genuinely clear and watch reported stolen years after sale. Am sure he would make it right to the buyer, but how can you mitigate that risk ?
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Am I the only one wondering what Mick would do?
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
When renewing insurance and listing watches, wouldn't they have to be in your possession at that point - would they be covered on a previous year's policy.
Not stellar behaviour by the Op, maybe give the benefit of the doubt, because if I had my lovely Rolex seized and told it wasn’t mine I’d be effing livid, and I am sure my behaviour would suffer as a result.
Op is clearly very stressed, whereas everyone else is not. Easy to lob grenades when you are not going through the sh1t show.
There is only one person who lobbed grenades. After asking for advice and receiving the best advice he could possibly get.
Sorry but the man is a c*nt, no more and no less. And he has previous, more than once - all in 100 posts.
Someone who lies about the little things will lie about the big things too.
I’d accept that if he hadn’t behaved the way he did in the past. As it is,
http://youtube.com/watch?v=z4uivPpzCGo
'Against stupidity, the gods themselves struggle in vain' - Schiller.
Mick probably is as well.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
This thread just reminds us all of the risks.
I have only ever bought off respected dealers. One of which has since closed their doors, I then sold that watch on … if it was now reported stolen I’d be high and dry … makes you think …
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