When is Euro VII coming out?
And when will it become the new ULEZ threshold?
Black sh1t got sorted out a with Euro IV diesels in the noughties. For diesels it is all about NOx these days.
Only a Euro VI will do for the ULEZ.
When is Euro VII coming out?
And when will it become the new ULEZ threshold?
Some background on your first question:
https://dieselnet.com/news/2022/11eu.php
What if you want to take your dog to the vet?
How do you buy anything you can’t carry on a cycle?
Are all schoolchildren suddenly going to walk to school or go on the bus?
Sounds like a great way to control people to me. You mustn’t go out of your own area folks. No going for a drive on Sunday to places of interest. You know it’s not good for the planet so don’t do it folks. Stay at home and watch your TV and we’ll keep you entertained . (Of course important people and officials will be allowed to travel for ‘necessary’ reasons)
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Anyone tried taking an Uber to the 'tip'.
So walk 5 miles to the vet with a sick dog. Yeah course.
Stay at home people and do as you’re told.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Or apply for permission to drive to the tip, the commissariat will grant a permit no doubt…
Coming soon perhaps the 15 minute cities…
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20201214-how-15-minute-cities-will-change-the-way-we-socialise
“So you’re applying for a permit to go outside the city are you…..?”
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Maybe just don't have a polluting car? Simples
Cargo bikes, soon the major players (Wikes, Homebase, B&Q etc) will likely have their own fleet, Amazon and UPS are using them along with plenty of independent services for moving stuff around.
in 10 years i have gone from not knowing what one was to knowing 4 people who own one and hiring one (with rider) for moving things around.
2 ton of sharp sand is still going to be delivered by traditional methods but for smaller stuff it just doesn't make sense.
Seems odd to see builders clutching a waste trap and a couple of fittings coming out of screwfix and getting into their van, thats a waste of an hour most of which is spent polluting/idling in traffic.
I see Heathrow Airport is going to be inside this new ULEZ zone, so that's going to affect anyone in a non-compliant car who currently does airport drop offs or pick ups ...
The mayor might be better focussing on the teenage murders on his patch, but that would be hard.
Sounds great so I'll never have to leave the house again. Everything will be brought to me by jolly rickshaw pilots with man buns and beards.
I thought it made very good sense for me to drive the 5 miles to the store and buy what I needed. When I needed it.
So how quickly is that waste trap going to be delivered? While the builder sits there drinking my tea and playing some infernal row on his Makita radio.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Just out of interest, how many of our members don’t have either a post 2006 petrol, post 2015 diesel or an EV and drive anywhere within the new ULEZ zone?
2002 diesel here ... I am the only owner, and we are falling apart gracefully together LOL. 148,000 on the clock, so I figure the car is about half way through it's useful life ... so probably doing better than me :-)
This is going to affect me for LHR airport trips, and I'll have to knock the occasional trip to IKEA Croydon on the head as well (in favour of Southampton) ....
police numbers/local youth/community centres/after school clubs all hit by funding, maybe the "blatant revenue generating" money from congestion charging can help with that?
I must say i'm surprised at how many people who lack the power to vote for him or any other candidate and have no 'skin in the game' have such strong opinions on the matter.
I couldn't care less who the mayor/MP/councillor is in Peterborough, Peterlee or Petersfield!?..
And pollution affects millions of people in London who do not drive, car ownership is very low in many boroughs as it simply doesn't make sense to own a depreciating asset that costs a fortune while it's parked (95% of it's time) and a fortune to run when it's being used (the other 5%).
People who live in London have to put up with outsiders pollution, that includes the air and noise pollution from Heathrow and city airports, it's only fair visitors have to pay a small fee for the odd occasion they might want/need to visit.
If smaller towns and cities did the same (congestion charge for more polluting vehicles) then that would level the playing field. as somebody who lives in the ulez zone i would happily pay that if i ever decide to drive to Peterborough.
My Sister lives near Waterloo station, she gave up car ownership years ago, and is now a member of a car club.
She can use an App to book a car and pay by the minute or hour, or if she needs to ‘go to the tip’, as many on here need to frequently apparently, she can book a van in the same way.
The cars are all electric, the vans increasingly so as well, the membership and hire fees cover all the costs including electricity, and it works really well for her.
Times are changing, and people live and use vehicles differently to most on here, but yes it’s probably about money as much as clean air now but I don’t live or drive in London or any other big city so perhaps I’m the one out of touch.
I wouldn’t sell your diesel car just yet.
https://12ft.io/proxy?&q=https%3A%2F...downing-street
Looks like after a certain recent voting result the ULEZ expansion is under pressure.
Sadiq Khan ‘now listening’ on Ulez after Keir Starmer piles on pressure
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/7...0a1f9672f3654f
I know Sadiq Khan was force to expand ULEZ by Grant Schapps in return for TFL funding but I don’t know how much that has resulted in the expansion coming in so quickly.
For me, there’s two main things, Firstly, local transport, once you get out of central London is patchy, and people do a lot of journeys by car because there’s no alternative. Secondly, the expansion hits the poorest hardest. They will be the ones with the oldest cars who won’t be able to replace them or afford the daily charge for using their existing cars.
As always the financial penalty is on the public, not the manufacturers or other corporates who contribute to the emissions inside the expansion area.
I personally think it will be delayed, potentially significantly.
It is at odds with the party supporting hard working families and those suffering the cost of living crisis.
And quite right too. The impact on the least able to afford the change had not been properly assessed.
Interesting to see how this will affect other proposed schemes around the country.
That is correct, although we shouldn’t also forget that the adverse effects of current levels of car emissions also impact on the poor most severely, so poor children in outer London suffer the highest levels of asthma and permanent lung damage, while residents our age suffer 20% higher risks of stroke (for example). Most people, including the publishers of most U.K. newspapers, don’t choose to see that, or think it doesn’t affect them.
Still, there are no simple choices, and it has the be the art of the possible.
I read that they need the expansion revenue to fund TFL, the other elephant in the room is that for electric or current ICE cars the pollution from the tyres and dust from the roads are the largest polluters, but mustn’t confuse the rhetoric with facts that don’t fit.
Angela Rayner reported to have said that ULEZ is coming to “every town and city across the UK”. Should have invested in the businesses that make the infrastructure.