I think some people prefer to feel a bit more in control of a car via a manual gearbox etc. That’s not to say an automatic ICE car is any less controllable by virtue of an auto box but some people - myself included - probably through decades of habit - prefer things like a gear stick and a proper hand brake, turn off the lane departure gubbins etc - as opposed to trying to take away as much driver input as possible. Give it a few years people like me won’t have an option if I want a newish car, so I’ll have an EV in the not too distant future. Having travelled in a few EV’s now - recently a full fat Mustang Mach e with phenomenal acceleration - I wonder how many will fly off into the scenery at the hands of an inexperienced driver, and god forbid the poor driver coming the other way hit by a 2 -tonne missile. I hope their insurance costs reflect their potency and potential for a proper nasty accident. I really don’t understand why the loopy performance isn’t curtailed in an effort to increase their range. Or is it - as always with cars - less to do with environmental concerns and more about boys toys and pub bragging? As the Ford dealer demonstrating the Mustang pointed out, the acceleration is phenomenal but don’t expect much when it comes to going round a bend, way too heavy
Most EVs accelerate like a hot hatch, it's only the higher end that are truly mental. Time will tell whether they cause more or fewer accidents as people get used to the different way that they need to be handled, perhaps there will be a rise and then a levelling off. I doubt whether there will be much of a change in injuries or fatalities from RTAs regardless as most have the latest safety features and warning systems.
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TBH the chat about liking the noise of a ICE engine - each to their own but the quiet cabin of an EV and the lack of annoying neighbours with a loud engine is a real plus. Although Tesla almost undoes it with its weird UFO reversing noises.
That reversing noise drives me insane. I assumed my neighbour chose it, as he’s a bit weird, but then heard another. Stupid choice by the designers.Originally Posted by ryanb741
I don’t get the silent travelling. If I’m just cruising on a Motorway, then possibly. But I relish every time I hear my revs rise when driving. Be that a the 0.9T smart 453 or the Cayman.
Actually even on the motorway I like to keep myself entertained or awake by hearing the noise of the engine / exhaust. Will take a lot for me to give that aspect up tbh, and will happily pay the taxes to do so in the future.
They had a lot of electric performance cars doing the Hill Climb at the Goodwood Festival of Speed recently.
Sat in the start line grandstand, I must say watching their noiseless start was the most underwhelming experience LOL. The people sat around me were all just looking at each other, shaking their heads ...
I'm assuming their battery range lasted to the finish line :-)
Our 2021 Tesla M3 LR is blissfully silent. The ID.4 has an external sound generator but it’s pretty inoffensive sounding.
I quite like the silence aspect, whilst I used to enjoy ‘press on’ driving, there’s a time and a place and for commuting or motorways I prefer the sound of a podcast these days! Perhaps I’ve just turned into an oldie though!I don’t get the silent travelling. If I’m just cruising on a Motorway, then possibly. But I relish every time I hear my revs rise when driving. Be that a the 0.9T smart 453 or the Cayman.
Actually even on the motorway I like to keep myself entertained or awake by hearing the noise of the engine / exhaust. Will take a lot for me to give that aspect up tbh, and will happily pay the taxes to do so in the future.
Travelling in near silence is one of the big benefits of EVs.
If I need some faux feedback, our GTS has “sports sound” which I can turn on. It’s a gimmick, but it does feel pretty fun.
If I feel the need for real revs and driving from a bygone era, we have an impractical old school manual sports car for the weekends. Best of both worlds!
I can’t see us going back to ICE for the daily, for our use case an EV is just so much better. The cars are great in their own right, just need the gov to pull their finger out so the infrastructure can catch up.
Whilst I like the UFO sound of the Tesla I have to say I have been underwhelmed by the supposed silence. I have a Model Y and the amount of road noise that comes into the cabin is shocking when driving above 30mph. I thought I would be cocooned in silence but not so. I still need to crack up the radio to hear it over the cabin noise.
I still love the immediate acceleration but it doesn’t compare to driving fun versus my little old Boxster
There are companies who specialise in reducing road noise in the cabin for Teslas. I’ve been tempted but I’m not sure how long I’ll have the car so haven’t researched.
One thing I do need to do relatively soon is figure out the tints or some kind of heat reflective film as the constant overheating is very annoying. I did buy the official Tesla sunroof blind but it didn’t change the internal temp by more than 1 degree so I returned it.
I agree.
Having the internal heat protection warning pretty much coming on anytime the car is parked is especially annoying when the outside temperature is barely above 20oC seems to be a major design flaw of the glass roof
I believe the glass roof on the China made models (new ones with black door handles) are all tinted.
Mine is one of the newer ones and the roof tint doesn't seem to do much/anything.
I had the roof tinted in my Tesla Model 3, plus the rear window and side rear glass and it made little difference, in the Summer the heat protect mode was still always activating
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So is mine. Does bugger all
I’d forgotten about the heat control issues. Amazing given we aren’t exactly a hot country.
Why a glass roof? Sounds like an inbuilt problem.
A genuine question, why do you think the Tax payer should foot the bill for the charging infrastructure? I do see EV eventually taking over eventually but the current users have had it so easy with tax breaks, grants and all the other bolt ons and the revenue isn’t getting anything back into the coffers to offset the infrastructure costs.
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It’s less about the government footing the bill and more about removing the blockers to more quicker progress by the companies that want to build them including faster planning permission for new charging locations and getting the necessary power distribution network in place
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Panoramic roof on our C40 hasn't caused a single problem. Makes the rear seats a nicer place to be too.
I'm not suggesting that the taxpayers foot the bill. However, there is a lot the Government could do to speed up the process and make it easy for folks to transitions, least of all removing red-tape /bureaucracy around planning permissions.
Other improvements from the Gov could be - mandate that all chargers can be used with just a tap of a bank card, so you don't have to download an app in the arse end of nowhere. Give charge networks yearly up keep targets in order to quality for any grants / handouts to ensure network reliability. Enforce real fines for ICE cars parked in charge spaces.etc
Basically getting some uniformity, simplicity for the end users and making networks more accountable.
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Governments need to create the conditions and confidence for the private sector to make the necessary investments in charging provision.
This is happening to be fair, particularly at MSAs, even in the last 6-9 months. See Wetherby, Scotch Corner, Blyth, Banbury and Exeter as examples. That couldn’t have happened without the DNOs upgrading power to sites, governments should do infrastructure projects, if not that then what?
There are no subsidies on privately purchased EVs now, or grants for chargers etc, and public rapid charging is charged at well above the commercial rate with 20% VAT on top. VED is payable from 2025 on EVs, and most buyers are paying 20% VAT on initial purchase prices significantly higher than equivalent ICE vehicles. As an example, about £2-3k extra VAT on the equivalent ICE.
It’s not quite the one way street many think it is, and we shouldn’t forget about the many billions that have been spent supporting the oil industry including through decommissioning as demand has dropped.
I’m not anti-oil, we need it, I just happen to think it’s far too valuable to just burn, and accepting that road fuel is but a part of every barrel extracted.
Volvo is a real car company who make real cars. That’s the difference.
Like I felt I could comment on the 718 registration plate, I had to keep quiet here.
Off topic, but how do the white leather seats hold up? I ruined some oyster leather in a 5 series with new denim. Could always see it, not matter how much effort I put in.
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I'm not sure that's fair TBH. Maybe you had a lemon I don't know, I never had any issues with overheating in my Tesla, sure the interior isn't as nice as the Velar HSE I had before but I don't see how it is worse than most cars. Sure it is a rung below Audi, but it's hardly terrible and has all the mod cons as standard such as electric memory seats and electric steering wheel, heated seats and steering wheel, electric mirrors, great air con, decent audio, autopilot etc etc. I've never had any back ache with the seats on long trips and I DID have that on the Velar.
And I still think the interface is the best on any car.
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This was 14 June. Low was 10 high was 24.
There is no such thing as autopilot as standard. It is simply radar cruise control with lane keep assist. Pay for autopilot and yes that a different thing albeit not suitable for European roads.
Whatever that little thing is on posh cars seats which pulls out to length the seat and support your legs. I want that back. That’s comfort.
Could be a lemon, sure, not disputing that as a possibility, but google the issues and the percentage of lemons Vs other OEMs is an even bigger problem than me moaning about my poo car.
Well mined parked out in the sun now and indoor temp is only a tad higher than outdoor temp so maybe an issue with your glass roof
We live near an oil refinery, and I know employees there -10 miles as the crow flies- and as I understand it petrol and diesel are by products from refining oil, possibly in very large quantities, but many more valuable products come from the process, I was told one weekly 50 000l tanker load of one ‘stuff’ pays the running costs for a week, if we don’t use the petrol or diesel in cars what do we use it for?
How do the Stop Oil gang get about the country to protests? On foot?, or where do they think the man made products they wear or use come from?
Currently on BBC;
Electric Cars: What They Really Mean for You
https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episod...-electric-cars
https://news.sky.com/story/one-dead-...lands-12927537
Seems like an electric car has resulted in a major fire on a car transporter and caused loss of life in the North Sea.
I wonder if companies will start thinking about banning electric cars on ferries or other means of transport.
You do know that an ice car is far more likely to go on fire I presume?
When the engine is off?
Lol Ryan the car is garbage but you have drunk the kool aid and that’s totally up to you to do.Well mined parked out in the sun now and indoor temp is only a tad higher than outdoor temp so maybe an issue with your glass roof
I’ve had the windows vented since 6am and this is the current temp Vs outdoor temp.
Maybe I am in the 0.1% along with everyone else and somehow have issues no one else has.
It’s not like you could google Tesla melted seat and there’s an entire internet of people who have the same issues.
Separate moan but there is no such thing as vegan leather. That’s absolute bs marketing speak for something which doesn’t exist and people have latched on in an effort to be cool.
Most car fires are caused by electrical issues.
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Especially in electric cars... ;-)
Vantablack paint option?I’ve had the windows vented since 6am and this is the current temp Vs outdoor temp.
But far far easier to put out.
Here is my model Y with the full tinted glass roof. I am with Wileeeeeey on this issue!Lol Ryan the car is garbage but you have drunk the kool aid and that’s totally up to you to do.
I’ve had the windows vented since 6am and this is the current temp Vs outdoor temp.
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Must be the high advanced Tesla paint with secret vantablack properties!
I have overheat enabled. This means once the car hits 40 degrees inside the aircon should go on but hasn’t. Typical Tesla.
Where are you guys parking - the surface of Venus?
That’s just mental, both the temperature being achieved and the overheat not working. I’d be so frustrated with it.
Those seats must be torture to sit on once the car is that hot.
On my driveway in a narrow NE London street
Here’s a view of the sky right now. Scorchio.
I think the Tesla premium is down to two things; extended range and efficiency.
While 95% of journeys are relatively short commutes, and many people charging their cars for peanuts, not sure I now understand the attraction of Teslas over more traditional car brands.
Loving my Volvo EV. It may not have the range of a Tesla (not that I need it 95% of the time), but it is so beautifully screwed together with such lovely premium materials.
On my drive surrounded by the builders stuff in North Wiltshire!
Have you raised this with Tesla support? Maybe you have, I haven’t read every thread.Must be the high advanced Tesla paint with secret vantablack properties!
I have overheat enabled. This means once the car hits 40 degrees inside the aircon should go on but hasn’t. Typical Tesla.
I don’t see any of that sort of thing on ours, I do hear it cooling but that’s only been on the hottest of days we’ve had in the last few weeks and last year in Lincs.
But far more likely to happen, anyway the post I was responding to was just a blatant trolling attempt.
15k miles in and my white seats are still like new. I occasionally wipe them with interior wipes and any denim transfer comes straight off.
Just checked the temperature of mine for interests sake. It's parked in central London, 22 degrees outside and 30 degrees inside. I don't bother with overheat protection.
Jeez, take your head out of your backside, you call it trolling, I call it balance.
But carry on…
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Fair enough, but I'm not sure Martylaa's post was blatant trolling. If an EV fire can kill crew members and potentially render a ship inoperable (or worse) his point is a valid one?
Balance? To stop the transport of evs via ship because of one fire,
Leave it out
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No it's not
For balance only….
https://electrek.co/2023/07/26/surpr...rgo-ship-fire/
Like with a lot of these things, probably better to await the formal investigation rather than jump to speculation.
A dive boat caught fire a few weeks back, killing three. Best stop boats carrying people and dive gear, that’s logical, right?
https://news.sky.com/story/amp/three...coast-12900780
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