Not the engine, I mean the car in general! Amount of cost saving measures in various places is unreal - long gone are the days of cars being built by engineers not penny pinchers!Originally Posted by beechcustom
Not the engine, I mean the car in general! Amount of cost saving measures in various places is unreal - long gone are the days of cars being built by engineers not penny pinchers!
Well it felt pretty solid to me. I owned one during lockdown. My then gf bought and sold super cars. I'm not even kidding. We had all sorts on the drive. Lambos , GTRs, 488 Ferraris etc. We had a GTS 911 (think it was 2017 my) and tons of Cayman and Boxter 718s The 911 was incredible but at least twice the price. I don't recall the build quality being significantly better than the Cayman tbh. All the Porsches felt super well made including some of the older Caymans that passed through that had perhaps had a tougher life.
Last edited by beechcustom; 20th March 2024 at 16:05.
I wonder if the 2016 718s know they only have 2 years left?
They know that Porsche will warranty them out to 2031, so they are chilled….I wonder if the 2016 718s know they only have 2 years left?
I have heard the same for a chap that details mainly Porsches. He stated the 981 and 991 are better built than the later models in terms of solidity of the cabin. Also, small things like heated screen washer boxers are now bot on the cars. A small but notable omission.
To be honest none of the rear engined stuff ever appealed to me. Always seemed a silly idea if you wanted something to go fast and handle. Was thinking about going Macan on the next change, the S seems good money from the reviews I've read.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
I was quicker around Mallory Park in a race-prepped 205 GTI 1.9 than I was in a 911. Far more of a sense of occasion in the 911 though.
The Macan is seriously fast but has all the charisma of a bath sponge.
That kind of agrees with what I've heard. No doubt entertaining for those who enjoy coping with the peculiarities. On paper the Macan S is about the same as the F-Pace P400e I have now, but obviously it would drive differently. I think it's slightly smaller which wouldn't be a bad thing to be fair, although the stop/start is a bit of a negative for me. The P400e uses electric to pull away instantly before starting the ICE if required. I wonder if you can disable the stop/start on them?
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
Engine at the rear seemed silly but everything jacked up by 6” seemed a good idea?
Does one have to presuppose the other?
Breitling Cosmonaute 809 - What's not to like?
Well he did say he wouldn't go for a 911 but was thinking about a Macan.Does one have to presuppose the other?
Fair point as is his about Pontiac Trans Ams
That said, I don't like 911s either... You either get them or you don't, I guess.
M
PS I wouldn't drive any SUV, though.
Breitling Cosmonaute 809 - What's not to like?
Yes. One is designed with speed and handling supposedly among the first requirements, and one isn't. See if you can work out which is which.
Just to be clear, I like the way the rear engined models look mostly, and appreciate them as really nice cars. They just didn't appeal to me with the engine at the back, like the weird love child of a VW beetle and a Renault Alpine. Mind you, someone who owned a '76 Trans Am 4 speed manual in the '80s probably isn't a benchmark of good taste.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
You're obviously right that it's not the ideal place to put the engine but I sort of admire the pigheaded approach of the Porsche engineers. They've done a pretty good job with an arse about face idea too!Yes. One is designed with speed and handling supposedly among the first requirements, and one isn't. See if you can work out which is which.
Just to be clear, I like the way the rear engined models look mostly, and appreciate them as really nice cars. They just didn't appeal to me with the engine at the back, like the weird love child of a VW beetle and a Renault Alpine. Mind you, someone who owned a '76 Trans Am 4 speed manual in the '80s probably isn't a benchmark of good taste.
Most of us don't get anywhere near the handling limits of these cars anyway so it's all about personal preference really.
Agreed.
Started out with nothing. Still have most of it left.
I'm sorry you've had such a bad experience with your 718. I've got one too and I've spent some time on the different 718 forums and the cars do seem quite solid, oldest are now eight years old and there are generally no big issues with them.
Buy a 308, it will be cheaper in the long run.
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