Car or Light Goods Vehicle?

[Mr Curta]

I think it’s something to do with a deal that Land Rover did with the DVLA which led to post 2009 Defenders being reclassified as vans. Pre-2009 they are cars.

Is that to take advantage of some sort of tax benefit? I remember being rather relieved when I discovered that Bath was a Class C rather than Class D CAZ having just driven through for the first time and spotting the signs.

[demonloop]

Can’t you just remove the back seats, and get the V5 re classified as LGV/commercial?

Would require inspection obviously

I had a 90 from 1992 and it was LGV on the V5

[trident-7]

Can’t you just remove the back seats, and get the V5 re classified as LGV/commercial?

Would require inspection obviously

I had a 90 from 1992 and it was LGV on the V5

Did it have side windows? i.e. was it a Station Wagon?

All post 2009 Defenders were classified as LGV. That’s the problem. It’s what it says on the V5 that determines whether you get charged or not. My Defender is classed as an LGV so I can’t drive in the CAZ without paying. Pre-2009 Defenders which aren’t Euro5 compliant, are classed as cars & so are exempt. My fine advises me that I’ve been charged because my vehicle does not meet the CAZ emissions standard. So how do pre-2009, & non Euro5 compliant Defenders meet it?

[aa388]

Did it have side windows? i.e. was it a Station Wagon?

All post 2009 Defenders were classified as LGV. That’s the problem. It’s what it says on the V5 that determines whether you get charged or not. My Defender is classed as an LGV so I can’t drive in the CAZ without paying. Pre-2009 Defenders which aren’t Euro5 compliant, are classed as cars & so are exempt. My fine advises me that I’ve been charged because my vehicle does not meet the CAZ emissions standard. So how do pre-2009, & non Euro5 compliant Defenders meet it?

There were quite a few changes in 2009 to comply with EU regulations to do with licenses so I wonder if the change to LGV was in part due to something in there.

Might be as simple as we can’t comply with X so we’ll reclassify it as Y rather than spend on making it compliant.




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[trident-7]

There were quite a few changes in 2009 to comply with EU regulations to do with licenses so I wonder if the change to LGV was in part due to something in there.

Might be as simple as we can’t comply with X so we’ll reclassify it as Y rather than spend on making it compliant.




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That's my understanding. It's a bit like agreeing to call your cat a dog. No matter what is agreed, what you have is still a cat.

[earlofsodbury]

I'm many years out of date with LRs now, but in the dim'n'distant days of yesteryonk, only those that left the factory as 'County Station Wagon' models could be classed as cars, while those with a total (IIRC...) of 9 seats would be classed as minibuses, while all the rest were vans. This classification could - perhaps - still haunt the many ground-up rebuilds out there if they're still on their original VIN?

[wileeeeeey]

That's my understanding. It's a bit like agreeing to call your cat a dog. No matter what is agreed, what you have is still a cat.

Didn’t think I’d see the day where even cars have pronouns.

[demonloop]

Did it have side windows? i.e. was it a Station Wagon?

All post 2009 Defenders were classified as LGV. That’s the problem. It’s what it says on the V5 that determines whether you get charged or not. My Defender is classed as an LGV so I can’t drive in the CAZ without paying. Pre-2009 Defenders which aren’t Euro5 compliant, are classed as cars & so are exempt. My fine advises me that I’ve been charged because my vehicle does not meet the CAZ emissions standard. So how do pre-2009, & non Euro5 compliant Defenders meet it?

No side windows, utility I think it was

But if yours has side windows, they can be vinyled over (temporarily) to get the re classification?

A friend of mine has a standard Ford Fiesta classed as a van (for pizza deliveries) by doing exactly this

[trident-7]

No side windows, utility I think it was

But if yours has side windows, they can be vinyled over (temporarily) to get the re classification?

A friend of mine has a standard Ford Fiesta classed as a van (for pizza deliveries) by doing exactly this

I want it the other way around DL. It's already classed as a van....I'd prefer it to be classed as a car. Cars aren't charged in the Bath CAZ, no matter what their emissions are.

[trident-7]

Is that to take advantage of some sort of tax benefit? I remember being rather relieved when I discovered that Bath was a Class C rather than Class D CAZ having just driven through for the first time and spotting the signs.

Maybe car excise duty? But HRMC do not countenance it as an LGV as it does not meet their definition of one.

I thought that it had something to do with it no longer meeting the regulations for new cars, but those regulations didn’t apply to vans eg. it doesn’t have air bags.