Electric cars-got to be a viable option now?

[j90rdn]

I’ve been put off the ipace by the horror stories about all JLR products recently. So have many others if the price of an ipace is anything to go by.

There are a couple of cheap Tesla model S on eBay at the moment with 350,000 and 450,000 miles on the clock. I’d expect them to get close to a million before the battery is anywhere near useless.

Yep, there are some real high-mileage S's out there. Most of Amsterdam taxi's were S's last time I was there. They seem to be wearing well, and with little to service.

I'll be honest, the tech in the iPace is miles behind the Tesla. The GUI is slow and non-intuitive. In a weeks ownership I've noticed that the front windscreen is leaking somewhere or the coolant hoses are leaking (both common issues). There is a big battery issue where people can only charge to 70%, which luckily this one doesn't have. It's covered by the 8 year/100k mile battery warranty.

I picked this one up cheap (it would be cheapest in UK if I put in on Autotrader), so it will likely be 6 months free or at worst cheap motoring. The Tesla took 4 months to sell (mileage and time of year), and I expect this to take just as long, so it will be on Autotrader in 2 months :-)

[adrianw]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-69022771

BBC saying EV sales falling but the article is all over the place, one interesting bit is the US putting 100% tariff on chinese electric cars

[Tooks]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-69022771

BBC saying EV sales falling but the article is all over the place, one interesting bit is the US putting 100% tariff on chinese electric cars

It is also, as usual, very Tesla centric. Like the uptake of EVs depends on the success of one EV manufacturer with a limited and aging model range. There are some very compelling models out there now from other manufacturers.

There are of course many people waiting patiently for the EV sky to fall in, but generally across Europe BEV sales are up 3.8% versus the same quarter last year.

https://www.acea.auto/pc-registratio...-market-share/

The same report shows quite a rise in hybrid vehicle sales, probably reflecting the fact that manufacturers have to get fleet emissions down to avoid/minimise fines and also the general interest in electrically propelled vehicles from the general public, albeit ones not ready to let go of petrol just yet.

It’s just a slowing in the rate of growth of EV sales, but every day more and more EVs are hitting the road.

The US putting punitive tariffs on Chinese EVs is a shame, they’ll miss out on some good models, some of China’s export EVs are excellent cars. If BYD and Nio take off here they’ll create a lot of jobs in a declining sector even if they’re not manufactured here.

[Passenger]

It is also, as usual, very Tesla centric. Like the uptake of EVs depends on the success of one EV manufacturer with a limited and aging model range. There are some very compelling models out there now from other manufacturers.

There are of course many people waiting patiently for the EV sky to fall in, but generally across Europe BEV sales are up 3.8% versus the same quarter last year.

https://www.acea.auto/pc-registratio...-market-share/

The same report shows quite a rise in hybrid vehicle sales, probably reflecting the fact that manufacturers have to get fleet emissions down to avoid/minimise fines and also the general interest in electrically propelled vehicles from the general public, albeit ones not ready to let go of petrol just yet.

It’s just a slowing in the rate of growth of EV sales, but every day more and more EVs are hitting the road.

The US putting punitive tariffs on Chinese EVs is a shame, they’ll miss out on some good models, some of China’s export EVs are excellent cars. If BYD and Nio take off here they’ll create a lot of jobs in a declining sector even if they’re not manufactured here.

Could it not be so much about missing out on excellent Chinese EV's as protecting American firms and also not wishing to contribute to China's near future war economy...seems to me only a matter of time until it hots up in the S. China Sea, bad form to be financially supporting a big plank of your enemies export sector and driver of growth...This alongside humanitarian, moral reasons is why I'd avoid a Chinese made vehicle. Though obviously in this world no ones got completely clean hands.

[Saint-Just]

Could it not be so much about missing out on excellent Chinese EV's as protecting American firms and also not wishing to contribute to China's near future war economy...seems to me only a matter of time until it hots up in the S. China Sea, bad form to be financially supporting a big plank of your enemies export sector and driver of growth...This alongside humanitarian, moral reasons is why I'd avoid a Chinese made vehicle. Though obviously in this world no ones got completely clean hands.

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[Tooks]

Could it not be so much about missing out on excellent Chinese EV's as protecting American firms and also not wishing to contribute to China's near future war economy...seems to me only a matter of time until it hots up in the S. China Sea, bad form to be financially supporting a big plank of your enemies export sector and driver of growth...This alongside humanitarian, moral reasons is why I'd avoid a Chinese made vehicle. Though obviously in this world no ones got completely clean hands.

Well, as apparently we can’t talk politics in the G&D, I was restricting myself to the consumer impacts of such a decision.

I’d imagine and agree it’s precisely short term protectionism at work, trying to mask the fact that the US (and much of Europe too) hasn’t grasped the opportunities (and boatloads of money) that alternative energy offers.

China could go to war any time it likes, it doesn’t need to export EVs for that.

[Saint-Just]

China could go to war any time it likes, it doesn’t need to export EVs for that.

1) that's not the Chinese way

2) The US are precisely setting up the infrastructure. It will also force Chinese manufacturers to build them in the US to sell them, thus more jobs for Americans.

3) I believe at least the US (not speaking for Europe) are moving in the right direction regarding alt energy sources; That they have catching up to do is not disputed.

[Tooks]

1) that's not the Chinese way

No, and thank goodness.

2) The US are precisely setting up the infrastructure. It will also force Chinese manufacturers to build them in the US to sell them, thus more jobs for Americans.

I hope that we, as in the UK, take any opportunity to build Chinese EVs here, and jobs are created in the dealer networks and battery hot swap facilities (Nio) as well.

The MG EV models sell pretty well from what I can see, they’d probably sell more if they were UK manufactured like we saw with cars built by Nissan in Sunderland and Honda down in Swindon.

Even if most of the cars built here were exported, people felt they were still supporting the UK somehow.

3) I believe at least the US (not speaking for Europe) are moving in the right direction regarding alt energy sources; That they have catching up to do is not disputed.

We had a good start here in the UK, but does feel like we’re letting it slip.

[Passenger]

Well, as apparently we can’t talk politics in the G&D, I was restricting myself to the consumer impacts of such a decision.

I’d imagine and agree it’s precisely short term protectionism at work, trying to mask the fact that the US (and much of Europe too) hasn’t grasped the opportunities (and boatloads of money) that alternative energy offers.

China could go to war any time it likes, it doesn’t need to export EVs for that.

Maybe, maybe not, there´s going to war with hopes and expectations and then there´s the Chinese way...

´´The greatest victory is that which requires no battle´´

Sun Tzu.

Personally I´ll do my little bit, where I can by not boosting their economy. It´s no skin off my nose, feels the right thing to do to me.