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    Smiths

    I've noticed that Smiths is one of the brands on the new site.

    Are there any plans to use this in the near future?

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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by raysablade
    I've noticed that Smiths is one of the brands on the new site.

    Are there any plans to use this in the near future?
    Might be.

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    Re: Smiths

    That's gotta get Roy's goat, he tried a few years ago to get the name. Well done Eddie, looking forward to what's to come from the new Smiths!

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    Re: Smiths

    Panic on the streets of London!

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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by Lippy
    Panic on the streets of London!


    Life hasn't been the same since.

    I wonder what Eddie has in mind ... a bedside clock?



    A 6B?

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    Re: Smiths

    I tried to licence the name in 2004 but they weren't interested; I wrote again in 2006 and never got a reply. They let the mark lapse in 2008 and I registered it on the first day possible in January 2009. The trademark is now registered to me and I'm planning on making the W10 at 39mm with fixed bars. I'd like to use an "interesting" hand-wind movement with centre seconds but if I can't find one, the ETA2801 will do fine.

    Eddie
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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne
    I tried to licence the name in 2004 but they weren't interested; I wrote again in 2006 and never got a reply. They let the mark lapse in 2008 and I registered it on the first day possible in January 2009. The trademark is now registered to me and I'm planning on making the W10 at 39mm with fixed bars. I'd like to use an "interesting" hand-wind movement with centre seconds but if I can't find one, the ETA2801 will do fine.

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    Re: Smiths

    I'm looking forward to seeing this. It can't be mechanical G10, surely. Smiths produced some salt-of-the-earth clocks for generations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Glamdring
    I'm looking forward to seeing this. It can't be mechanical G10, surely. Smiths produced some salt-of-the-earth clocks for generations.


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    Re: Smiths

    Sounds interesting!
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    Re: Smiths

    I don't know the first thing about British military watches but I am intrigued.

    Can someone explain which hand-wind movement with centre seconds would qualify as "interesting"?


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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by SternG

    Can someone explain which hand-wind movement with centre seconds would qualify as "interesting"?
    Some NOS Smiths' would certainly set more pulses racing than a boring old ETA.

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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by raysablade
    Some NOS Smiths' would certainly set more pulses racing than a boring old ETA.

    Like this one (pic shamelessly nicked from the web)?


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    Re: Smiths

    With so many presentation watches being uncased for their gold I bet there are at least few hundred of those about ready to be dropped straight into the new watch. Unfortunately many of them will already be sitting in landfill :cry:.

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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by magirus
    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne
    39mm with fixed bars.

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    Yesyesyes!

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    Re: Smiths

    Wow! This is excellent news! :bounce:

    Any possible way with a non-screw down crown (b/c of handwind) to get WR to 200m, to make this the ultimate field watch?

    I assume acrylic crystal?

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    Re: Smiths

    I'll buy one! Put me down on the pre-order list.

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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne
    I tried to licence the name in 2004 but they weren't interested; I wrote again in 2006 and never got a reply. They let the mark lapse in 2008 and I registered it on the first day possible in January 2009. The trademark is now registered to me ......
    This will be of interest then and this.

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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by raysablade
    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne
    I tried to licence the name in 2004 but they weren't interested; I wrote again in 2006 and never got a reply. They let the mark lapse in 2008 and I registered it on the first day possible in January 2009. The trademark is now registered to me ......
    This will be of interest then and this.
    That's been around for a while and trades as "Smiths Watch Co", not "Smiths". There's also a "Smith & Sons" and a few more but I can't check at the moment, the IPO website is down.

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    Re: Smiths

    [quote="swanbourne" The trademark is now registered to me and I'm planning on making the W10 at 39mm with fixed bars. I'd like to use an "interesting" hand-wind movement with centre seconds but if I can't find one, the ETA2801 will do fine.
    [/quote]

    2801 would be fine with me. The PRS-53 is one of my best time keepers!

    Edit: Why doesn't that quote thing work anymore?
    I'm not as think as you drunk I am.

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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by mr1973

    Edit: Why doesn't that quote thing work anymore?
    It works. After Swanbourne there is a missing sign: ]

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    Re: Smiths

    Hope this link is okay to post - Eddie, please delete if inappropriate

    Some W10 info...............

    http://www.broadarrow.net/smiths.htm

    It's got a lot of the '53 about it - and none the worse for that 8)

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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne
    I tried to licence the name in 2004 but they weren't interested; I wrote again in 2006 and never got a reply. They let the mark lapse in 2008 and I registered it on the first day possible in January 2009. The trademark is now registered to me and I'm planning on making the W10 at 39mm with fixed bars. I'd like to use an "interesting" hand-wind movement with centre seconds but if I can't find one, the ETA2801 will do fine.

    Eddie
    Will you be using the PRS-22 case with acrylic?

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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by abraxas
    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne
    I tried to licence the name in 2004 but they weren't interested; I wrote again in 2006 and never got a reply. They let the mark lapse in 2008 and I registered it on the first day possible in January 2009. The trademark is now registered to me and I'm planning on making the W10 at 39mm with fixed bars. I'd like to use an "interesting" hand-wind movement with centre seconds but if I can't find one, the ETA2801 will do fine.

    Eddie
    Will you be using the PRS-22 case with acrylic?

    john
    No (although it's not a bad idea). The Smiths lugs are too distinctive.

    Eddie
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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by docd
    Hope this link is okay to post - Eddie, please delete if inappropriate

    Some W10 info...............

    http://www.broadarrow.net/smiths.htm
    You'll note that Eddie is credited at the bottom of the piece

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    Re: Smiths

    Agree re: the ETA 2801 movement. As someone else said upthread, it's incredibly accurate in the superb PRS-53. And, going off at a tangent a bit, I'd like to find out if our host's version of the watch will have the pheon? I think it was consciously left off the RLT version which, as a result, looked a bit bobbins. In my humble and uneducated opinion, anyway.

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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by Verkitso
    Agree re: the ETA 2801 movement. As someone else said upthread, it's incredibly accurate in the superb PRS-53. And, going off at a tangent a bit, I'd like to find out if our host's version of the watch will have the pheon? I think it was consciously left off the RLT version which, as a result, looked a bit bobbins. In my humble and uneducated opinion, anyway.
    You can rest assured that it will have the pheon. All other watches which purport to be a Smiths homage and don't have the pheon are mere pretenders.

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    Re: Smiths

    Has it been clearly established that if you use the pheon (i.e. broad arrow) you won't have any trouble from the "Broad Arrow" people? I took a look at the trademark dispute proceedings http://ttabvue.uspto.gov/ttabvue/v?pno=91158655&pty=OPP and it looks like the only issue is the use of the word "Broadarrow". You never know though.

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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by rickf
    ... is the use of the word "Broadarrow".
    I think Eddie is an expert now :twisted:

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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne
    Quote Originally Posted by Verkitso
    Agree re: the ETA 2801 movement. As someone else said upthread, it's incredibly accurate in the superb PRS-53. And, going off at a tangent a bit, I'd like to find out if our host's version of the watch will have the pheon? I think it was consciously left off the RLT version which, as a result, looked a bit bobbins. In my humble and uneducated opinion, anyway.
    You can rest assured that it will have the pheon. All other watches which purport to be a Smiths homage and don't have the pheon are mere pretenders.

    Eddie
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    Tell me, though -- is it bonkers to own an original and want one of the new ones?

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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by Verkitso
    Tell me, though -- is it bonkers to own an original and want one of the new ones?
    It's the definition of insanity!!!






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    Re: Smiths

    Hmmm. Good point, eloquently made!

    (Great pics, too)

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    Re: Smiths

    We will, of course, also need an Everest, even if it wasn't even vaguely military. :)

    Fantastic catch Eddie.

    :thumbleft:

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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by quoll
    We will, of course, also need an Everest, even if it wasn't even vaguely military. :)

    Fantastic catch Eddie.

    :thumbleft:
    Agreed


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    ^^^ 8) :bounce:

    Well worth considering in the future Smiths line-up, IMO.

    Cheers,
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    Re: Smiths

    +1

    Serious congrats on getting that name registered! Not an easy thing, but huge recognition there...

    2801 is fine inside, hacks and is seriously dependable, and there'll be spare parts throughout eternity...

    JohnF

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    Re: Smiths

    Certainly news that are so exciting that they are bringing this here ol' Crusader back to the board after too long an absence ...

    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne
    The trademark is now registered to me and I'm planning on making the W10 at 39mm with fixed bars. I'd like to use an "interesting" hand-wind movement with centre seconds but if I can't find one, the ETA2801 will do fine.
    I certainly hope that you will also make the 6B version ... if the difference is only in the caseback engraving, that might not be a big problem. :wink:
    Cheers,

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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by Crusader
    Certainly news that are so exciting that they are bringing this here ol' Crusader back to the board after too long an absence ...

    Quote Originally Posted by swanbourne
    The trademark is now registered to me and I'm planning on making the W10 at 39mm with fixed bars. I'd like to use an "interesting" hand-wind movement with centre seconds but if I can't find one, the ETA2801 will do fine.
    I certainly hope that you will also make the 6B version ... if the difference is only in the caseback engraving, that might not be a big problem. :wink:
    Thanks Crusader! :lol:

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    Re: Smiths

    This definitely sounds like the thing I have been waiting for from Eddie - I'll be following developments closely.

    The Everest looks good too.

    Andrew

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    Re: Smiths

    And if increased waterproofing was a possibility without a screw-down crown this would indeed be a very desirable watch - I suspect 20bar is unrealistic though? - I would be happy enough with 10bar.

    Andrew

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    Re: Smiths

    An Everest would be nice, but what about an updated version of the actual watch - a Smiths Deluxe - that Sir Edmund wore to the summit?
    The watch itself is on display in the Guild of Clockmakers museum at the Guildhall, here's my crafty photo.


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    Re: Smiths

    Eddie, does your acquisition of the Smiths name also include rights to manufacture Smiths clocks as well as watches? And if so would you ever consider manufacture of e.g. an Astral ship's clock if movements were available and demand guaranteed sales?

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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by sundial
    Eddie, does your acquisition of the Smiths name also include rights to manufacture Smiths clocks as well as watches? And if so would you ever consider manufacture of e.g. an Astral ship's clock if movements were available and demand guaranteed sales?

    Cheers

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    I can make anything covered under category 14, which is basically anything connected with horology but let's go one step at a time, eh? :wink:

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    Re: Smiths

    This may be the most important step in Your watch crafting career, Eddie. To resurrect the last GB/UK brand!!!!
    Congrats
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChronoCop
    This may be the most important step in Your watch crafting career, Eddie. To resurrect the last GB/UK brand!!!!
    Congrats
    Brane
    I thought of that too ... but it's also not fair because Eddie has done a lot to get here.

    On the other hand, Time Factors has become a bit of a Seiko with more brand names than you can shake a stick at. :D

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    Congratulations on getting the Smiths trademark Eddie, I'm sure you'll make good use of it.

    Slightly OT, but on Top Gear last night, both the Vincent Black Shadow and Jaguar XK120 had Smiths instruments. :D

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    I'd love to see a homage to the earlier Smiths Deluxe - which is a little more distinctive and idiosyncratic than the later model.

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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by sweeney
    I'd love to see a homage to the earlier Smiths Deluxe - which is a little more distinctive and idiosyncratic than the later model.
    I'd love to have an example to study.

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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by sweeney
    I'd love to see a homage to the earlier Smiths Deluxe - which is a little more distinctive and idiosyncratic than the later model.
    Astral, Enfield, and Empire are other names used by Smiths.

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    Re: Smiths

    Quote Originally Posted by sweeney
    I'd love to see a homage to the earlier Smiths Deluxe - which is a little more distinctive and idiosyncratic than the later model.


    Is this what you mean?



    A different version. 1949

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