Reply With Quote£300 on a Seiko??? :shock: :shock: :shock:
ARE YOU MAD?
Hello Gents
I’ve a couple of watches, Seiko’s and Citizen's and I’m on the look out for another from the same company. I am not looking to spend a fortune. £200/£300 is about it.
I fancy a large none chrono military or divers watch.
While trawling the web, I have found one or two references to inferior models made in Asia.
Does anyone on here know of any particular models from the above companies to avoid, or if indeed the poorer quality allegation is true .
Any thoughts, suggestions or recommendations would be appreciated.
Regards
Terry
£300 on a Seiko??? :shock: :shock: :shock:
ARE YOU MAD?
Don't get that...Originally Posted by Josh B
Have a look at Seiya; see what he has in stock. It's an odd price point for Seiko though. Just now they seem to be going for £150 or well over the £300 mark. Buying from Sales Corner is different.
http://www.seiyajapan.com/
http://www.seiyajapan.com/product/S-SBD ... DC001.html The Sumo is a favourite on here but it's a big beast.
Seiko 'Stargate' might suit you around about that price. Personally I'd spend a bit less on a PVD Star Monster. Citizen Orca or Ecozilla can be had for that sort of price. Also check out the Orient Star 200m Diver which can be had in that price range too.
Out of these I think I'd probably like the Orient Star best.
I presume this is the old myth about Seikos. As far as I know, no one has ever been able to identify why non-Japanese Seikos are any less good then Japan-made Seikos. The truth I think is that they are all of similarly good quality.
The only difference is that Japan-made Seikos have "Japan" on the dial and clasp. That's it. No other difference.
I can't think of anything offhand to avoid from Seiko. I don't know Citizen so well.
Seiko & Citizen are two different companies.
Go for we called " small MM" here in HK or Sumo which is MIJ
Both Seiko and Citizen are very reliable, but both have a very wide range of products - from under 50$ to over 5000$ - generally the very low end is now 'moved' to other brands, the middle-class is itself divided among a number of collections, and the really high-end is again using separate brands (that is more obvious with Seiko).
The 'inferior' models might simply be fakes - it might surprise people but for instance there are fakes even for the 'normal' Monster models.
Instead of models that you should avoid I would however go for the opposite approach and recommend some very good models.
The very first major choice is automatic vs. quartz - quartz has all the objective advantages but mechanical watches have a certain attraction too.
Another very relevant choice is the style and functions - divers are one thing, casual/elegant models another, chronos and multifunctions another.
I will just leave links for 3 aviator-style models that I consider very special (and with a quality at the same level or better than swiss models in the range of 500-1000 EUR) - all are solar titanium models (which in itself is VERY expensive at most other manufacturers), first two are also radio models with a perpetual calendar and the 3rd is a 'mecaquartz' model not very different (in internal principle) from very famous vintage swiss 'mecaquartz' models
http://www.newatch.com/tienda/product_i ... ts_id/5196
http://www.newatch.com/tienda/product_i ... ts_id/5192
http://www.newatch.com/tienda/product_i ... ts_id/3103
Unfortunately I have never personally bought from that site - so you should do your research on that (or eventually any other place where you find a better price).
I actually have the second one listed there. It is a fantastic watch but be aware that the radio synchs to the German transmitter and it will auto set one hour ahead of the UK time. This can be corrected by using the Local Time Function and treating the UK as a different country but all the primary functions will be slaved to German time. I imagine that the same deal applies to the first watch as well.
And I have the third watch...I actually have the second one listed there. It is a fantastic watch but be aware that the radio synchs to the German transmitter and it will auto set one hour ahead of the UK time. This can be corrected by using the Local Time Function and treating the UK as a different country but all the primary functions will be slaved to German time. I imagine that the same deal applies to the first watch as well.
Again, a fantastic watch for the money, the titanium is so warm to the touch compared to stainless steel. I have owned mine for about 3 or 4 weeks and it is running at + or - 0 seconds, the Calibre 2100 being a higher quality. My initial thoughts and piccies are here http://www.tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic...73389#p1573389
Tissot does the trick for me
Hi, i dont know how cheap you want to go but i recently picked up a NOS Citizen divers watch up off ebay (see post http://www.tz-uk.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=157269) for £70 ish.
I purchased it off ebay member "myretrowatches", he currently has a blue dial / bezel version for sale at a similar price if its any help.
Not amazing quality but probably a good beater for the money?
Andy.
2 very good brands for sure and a huge amount to choose from both dress or diver etc etc,you also have the vintage route to take a look at if that floats your boat.I would safely say that most of the members have or have had both of the brands in their collection.
I have the 2 in the links below and they are both imo great looking watches.
http://www.google.co.uk/products/catalo ... 8gIwADgA#p
http://www.roachman.com/seiko/chrono/CROSNA027.html
And the choices!....http://www.roachman.com/seiko/chrono/seiko-chrono.html
Paul
Thanks to everyone for the advice, suggestions and recommendations.
You have given me much food for thought.
I’ve had a quick look at some of your suggestions but it will take me some time to go through them all in detail.
After looking at some suggestions I think the main thing is to decide is what movement.
My Seiko is Kinetic and it has not been a great success, so Kinetic is out.
My initial thoughts is the Orient Star Diver, however, I’m not sure (yet) if that is kinetic
Thanks again
Terry
What was the problem with it, if I may ask?
The Orient Star is an automatic. The movement it uses is a good quality in-house Orient movement.
What was the problem with it, if I may ask?
My Seiko is an auto relay Cal.5J22 movement.
It's supposed to shut down when not in use. When picked up and worn, a shake and it's supposed to return to the correct time. It dose not .
It Does not hold its charge. As an indication of low power, the second hand reverts to moving every 2 seconds, mine seems to be continually at 2 second intervals .
It may be that this type of movement in a watch worn as I wear it (rarely) is the wrong movement.
Perhaps a direct drive kinetic may be the solution .
Apology’s for posting the reply this way as I haven’t yet worked out how to use the quote function yet
( This is my first attempt at a forum )
Regards
Terry
I too had a Seiko kinetic which I was glad to see the back of. Every time I picked it up it was stopped, and did my head in, shaking it.
I'm sure the newer ones are good, but give me an eco drive or a plain old battery any day of the week.
There is nothing wrong with Citizen and Seiko. They fill a much needed gap in the market. Cheapish watches of a decent quality. I would not however buy one at RRP. I have bought so many Seikos over the years, most of them off eBay, all of them flipped. However, although in most cases you will not get a manufacturers warranty, grey market, i have never had a problem.
Cutting the budget in half to £150-£175 will get you a very decent Citizen/Seiko off the bay or from the sales forum/forum members.
Kinetic models are more 'tricky' when not worn often enough - but if you wear it 3 days/week things should be OK. Solar models are somehow more reliable - meaning that it is enough to leave the watch in some light and you do not need to wear it at all :P
I can see why it annoyed you.
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See three for sale here, http://www.thewatchsite.com/index.php/t ... 876.0.html, at a very good price.
N.B. I have no knowledge of or connection with the vendor. Buyer should exercise usual precautions.
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[ See three for sale here, http://www.thewatchsite.com/index.php/t ... 876.0.html, at a very good price.]
Thanks for the info Mark.
Possibly the best looking diver I have seen. I also like the sound of that movement, with the power reserve facility.
My favourite of the 3 is the blue.
They are a good price, however, Slightly worried about buying from abroad and paying up front.
Its never been easy for me to pay up front ( here or abroad ) and as I get older I get less trusting.
Regards Terry
For just over £300 you could have a Precista PRS-3
I know what you mean. I've bought quite a lot from abroad and not had any problems so far. The thing is is to be confident about the buyer. It's a good idea to search for the seller on various forums. Also most decent sellers won't be upset if you PM them and ask them for references -- i.e. where they are known and have lots of posts, where they have sold before, etc.
If and when you send payment, PayPal payment for Goods is the way to go. This offers you some protection in case the goods don't arrive or are not as described.
Very true!
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